Garlic 2021

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Re: Garlic 2021

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Post: # 49972Unread post rossomendblot
Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:24 pm

Our garlic seems to get rust every year. It doesn't seem to affect the harvest much because we grow a variety which is harvested by late May/early June so the rust doesn't have time to do much damage.
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Re: Garlic 2021

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Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:10 pm

[mention]rossomendblot[/mention] What variety do you grow ?
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Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:06 pm

Every fall there are high hopes for the next harvest. Last fall was no different. Twice as much compost and old horse manure were tilled in. There were enough nutrients to produce a record crops. Then we got barely 3" of rain total for April and May so the plants could not use that food. Harvest today yielded mostly 2"-2½" bulbs, a full inch smaller than normal. Just like in farming, always hope for better things next year.

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Re: Garlic 2021

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Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:15 pm

Amateurinawe wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:10 pm @rossomendblot What variety do you grow ?
Iberian Wight. We've been saving the seed since 2017. Interestingly, due to accidentally eating half of the seed bulbs last year ( :lol: ) we had to order some more, and the new stuff wasn't ready as early (I'd say it'd be about 2 weeks later). The Isle of Wight Garlic Farm who introduced it to the UK seem to be renaming all their varieties so now it's called Maddock Wight instead. We've also grown Early Purple Wight (now Rhapsody Wight) which is even earlier. There's also a newer variety called Extra Early Wight which I might give a try.

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Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:41 am

Since that seems to be an important trend to follow, please be advised the Cuostralee tomatos I planted should now be referred to Leafy Red Delicious. And Big Beefs are now known Tinker's Beefsteak.

You better buy those Extra Early Wight before you lose track of them...

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Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:50 am

Unfortunately that garlic farm has a bit of a stranglehold over the seed garlic market in the UK, at least online. All of the well known seed shops sell their garlic. There are a few smaller companies selling French varieties such as Germidour, Messidrome, Thermidrome etc. How long do I have to grow Iberian Wight for before I can rename it? :lol:

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Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:34 pm

All of the garlic is now hung in a closet where it will stay for the duration. About 90 bulbs total. The three bundles on the right are the Lorz Italian that was a first timer this year so the largest cloves of that will be held back for replanting this fall. The next two bundles are Russian Inferno and the last four are a mix of Russian Inferno and Siberian. They are mixed because I failed to properly label them at harvest last year. :oops:

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These are the bulbils I got from some Siberians that had been in the ground for two years. I missed harvesting them the first year because some were young when their foliage died and the others had a fire ant mound over them. No way I was fooling with them! But they all came back this year on their own and put up scapes with bulbils so I'm going to play with planting them this fall. I did finally dig those bulbs and they're hanging out in the shed but they're all small (about 1.25") and I'll just dehydrate them for making garlic powder.

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Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:06 pm

nice looking garlic there, especially the lorz.

i dug a few plants today from bulbils that looked to be dying back.
the plants that formed scapes produced just small bulbs. part of the row might
have been a little too dry. other bulbils with short top growth produced some nice large rounds.
i have wondered for awhile now why some bulbils will form scapes, and produce small bulbs while others
of the same variety planted the same way have short top growth, and produce rounds.

i also planted a partial row of tiny bulbils from music, and a russian variety. i had a mix of decent sized rounds,
medium sized, and smaller tear drop bulbs. a few looked no bigger than when i planted them last year.
i will plant the more promising ones in the fall to up size next year. it will be a couple years before they form bulbs.


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Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:28 am

rossomendblot wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:50 am Unfortunately that garlic farm has a bit of a stranglehold over the seed garlic market in the UK, at least online. All of the well known seed shops sell their garlic. There are a few smaller companies selling French varieties such as Germidour, Messidrome, Thermidrome etc. How long do I have to grow Iberian Wight for before I can rename it? :lol:
I guess one year should do it. You can say you selected the best Iberian Wight therefore it is an improved version no one has. All of the Wight varieties are already renamed versions of all the French garlic and a few others.

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Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:31 am

mama_lor wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:28 am
rossomendblot wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:50 am Unfortunately that garlic farm has a bit of a stranglehold over the seed garlic market in the UK, at least online. All of the well known seed shops sell their garlic. There are a few smaller companies selling French varieties such as Germidour, Messidrome, Thermidrome etc. How long do I have to grow Iberian Wight for before I can rename it? :lol:
I guess one year should do it. You can say you selected the best Iberian Wight therefore it is an improved version no one has. All of the Wight varieties are already renamed versions of all the French garlic and a few others.
...and now they're trademarking them under local place names. :shock:

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Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:22 pm

I was lucky to dig up my last garlic today, since Elsa is soaking things out there now! I was glad to see that the Metechi did well - larger than usual, and it was barely ready to dig, but I knew rain was coming - before and after Elsa! I got 51 heads, plus one damaged.
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Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:03 am

Well, my garlic was essentially killed by allium leaf miner this year. Don't be fooled by the fact that they say garlic is not affected. Yes, they don't grow strangely because they are already older when it hits (compared to onions) but they can be badly affected. The outer wrappers crack due to the attack and the whole plant yellows and just grows worse and matures earlier. Now I got all the garlics split and ugly and 3 times smaller than usual. The least affected was an unknown purple hardneck from the store (made in France), which grows much faster than any named garlic I found (about 3 weeks earlier than Germidour), simply because the more mature the plant when the attack happens, the less the damage.
If you are unfamiliar with this pest, in a few years you will be, it's spreading fast, at least through Europe and the populations will be kept high by people insisting to grow those damn perennial chives (it needs a host for the autumn cycle, so the only way we will get rid of it is to not grow chives and leaks anymore).

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Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:01 pm

That sounds like a nightmare, mama_lor. My perennial garden now has blooming shallots all over, as well as the chives. Really hope the miner doesn't make it over here. :shock: :oops:
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Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:23 am

I can confirm that the allium leaf miner has arrived in Virginia. It wiped out my onion crop this spring -- all the leaves became curly/twisty and the plants were stunted, and then the leaves began to rot and die. At that point I pulled a plant to examine it and found both pupae and larvae of something I didn't recognize, so I headed to Google and tracked down the answer. The distinctive pupae make ID easy; it's like someone injected grains of brown rice into your plants.

My garlic was in a different part of the garden about 20 yards away, but it became infested, too. The leaves began to turn brown early and stopped growing, just as [mention]mama_lor[/mention] said. I dug my softneck garlic up two weeks ago and found pupae in little slits all over the stems, and the wrappers were in poor condition, thin and split wide open. I picked the bugs out but had to remove leaves/stem to get to them, so now the bulbs have very little wrapping left. Some of the cloves are rotting already.

I dug the hardneck garlic a few days ago. It's infested, too, but not as badly damaged. I'm hoping to be able to salvage more of that. I guess next spring I'll have to grow my garlic under row cover, and I probably won't plant onions at all.

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Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:42 pm

Here is a page from Penn State about it:
https://www.agriculture.pa.gov/Plants_L ... MINER.aspx
And here is a study from Rodale institute for organic controls. Covers, plastic mulch, and a brassica cover crop rotation had positive results.
https://rodaleinstitute.org/science/art ... iner-pest/
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Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:01 pm

[mention]Bower[/mention] Good links, thanks. I've scouted around and can't find any mention online about this pest being in Virginia. The latest range map at PSU (early 2020) shows it in a few northeastern Maryland counties but nothing closer than that. I feel like I ought to report it to somebody, but I don't see an easy way to do that with Virginia Cooperative Extension, so I emailed the author of the article you linked to at Rodale Institute.

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Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:16 pm

[mention]Seven Bends[/mention] I'm glad you let us know it is on the eastern seaboard, so I can be on the lookout.
I'm trying some different rotations for garlic as well, so it is really helpful to read their research about it.
This also reminds me to rogue any plants that are stunted or unhealthy in the spring, and examine for cause.
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Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:35 pm

The article's author, Dr. Gladis Zinati, responded immediately (!) and said she would forward the info to her local Penn State extension office. She suggested I do the same for my Virginia extension office, which I'll try to do.

Here's what survived of my garlic crop this year. First picture is the hardnecks (Persian Star and Chesnok Red, I think), which weren't badly damaged except that I had to peel them down further than I would have liked in order to get rid of the bugs.
1-hardneck garlic 2021 horizontal.jpg
Second picture is the softnecks (unknown variety I've been growing for years), a disaster this year. The bulbs looked okay when I harvested them, but the inner cloves soon began to rot and I had to pull the bulbs apart to salvage what I could. I've read that damage from the leafminers makes the garlic more susceptible to disease/rot.
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Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:55 am

I did harvest a few varieties of garlic but most are still in the ground. This fall, I will reduce the number of different kinds from 12 to about 4. Last fall I didn’t know which garlics were the best keepers for my area. Now I know that it’s porcelain hard necks and soft necks.

When drying garlic, could one cut off the leaves so that five or six inches of stalk remain and dry it that way to save space? Or do you really need to dry the whole plant together?

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Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:02 am

I find it's better to leave the whole plant dry. Otherwise it's more prone to wrappers becoming loose (too fast drying of the inner clove).

Regarding the miner, I think one can let the pupae sit there in the wrappers, you don't need to dewrap them, they will fall out after it's fully dry. Next year the insect netting is a must, but I'm afraid I won't be allowed to use it in my rented garden (due to not being 'sight friendly').

This year I planted the onions really late to avoid the spring cycle (15 may), and just my luck, the extremely record cold spring made the fly stay around for another 2 weeks or so. Only a bit of damage though, so I think I will get a crop at least.

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