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Post: # 57068Unread post rxkeith
Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:30 am

my garlic is in the ground.
over four hundred cloves were planted, a mix of an unknown german hard neck variety that came to me,
and music, red and white russian, plus sixty or so cloves of martins heirloom. i thought i was done, but then
a church member, and fellow gardener gave me several bulbs of asian tempest so i got those planted this past
monday along with some small rounds from the music and russian varieties that grew from the tiny bulbils i had
planted last year.
the german variety i grow produces large bulbils that will produce either small bulbs of garlic the following year
or very large rounds. i planted a bunch of rounds that should give me some nice sized bulbs next summer.
i had grown asian tempest before from filaree farm. the bulbs i was given were considerably smaller than what i remember
the variety to be. i did some research and found that asian tempest can be finicky. it requires good drainage. the church member
lives on lake side property. i wonder if that may have something to do with bulb size.
i still have bulbils left over, but can't plant them all.

i would like to make garlic powder. we bought a dehydrator.
i may sell some to the local co-op as well.



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Post: # 57072Unread post GoDawgs
Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:52 am

This year on Oct 21 I planted 18' of Lorz Italian (a softneck artichoke type), and 9' each of Russian Inferno (Asiatic turban) and Siberian (hardneck purple stripe turban), all from garlic grown last year. They were up and going on 11/1.

Then I planted two lines of Siberian bulbils in a window box on Oct 25 and they started popping up two days ago. I've never done these before but you guys said it's easy and it is. It will be a fun experiment.

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Post: # 57075Unread post bower
Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:05 am

@Julianna great idea to get some of the local crop to plant.

@Tormato I haven't been buying garlic powder for some years, since I've been growing I just have used fresh instead. But also, it isn't one of the spices regularly available where I shop. In other spices, the store brand pouches are least expensive, and we are paying $3-4 CAD for 105-150 gram pouches of most spices (20-40 g of herb), that is about 3-5 oz of spice, so at minimum $1 per oz. That's 4X the price you're paying per oz in a bigger package. It varies by spice, but I recently paid $6 for 150 g of black pepper, insanely expensive for a household staple. :evil:
We have a local company that offers a much bigger selection of spices, but in smaller packets at twice the price. Yes I buy their stuff too.
There's probably a better place to buy spices, but I don't know what it is. Doubt it is much cheaper though.
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:21 am

Julianna wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:08 am I ordered a sampler of garlic last year and only one variety worked. Even better is that I am not exactly sure which one it was. I thought to myself that was annoying, but I would save some heads and replant. Then my husband found my stash and used 99% of it. :/ so I got excited when I saw a local farm was selling garlic heads from their crop. I bought 4. I get them.on Friday with the rest of my order which is mostly potatoes I plan on replanting.
On the plus side, if the gophers start eating it, maybe their bad breath will drive each other away.
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Post: # 57098Unread post Julianna
Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:42 pm

Tormato wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:21 am
On the plus side, if the gophers start eating it, maybe their bad breath will dive each other away.
If it was in the ground, they would be all over it!
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Post: # 57105Unread post GoDawgs
Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:05 pm

Tormato wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:35 am
Bower wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:29 am Small bulbs with small cloves here keep getting shuffled to the back of the bus, until they're all that's left at the end of the season.
It took me two hours to fill two trays of the dehydrator with cloves peeled and cut in half. Made a packet of garlic powder you'd pay $3 for in the supermarket - except way better tasting, of course! As long as I can do the job while watching TV, I'll look the other way on the economics of it. :twisted: :roll:
Actually it's such a treat, I may just do another batch of the fresh bulbs that are so small they won't get used, and give my folks some powder in the christmas package. Labors of love... ;)
I'm curious about the price/quantity of powdered garlic, way up there in the boondocks. Here, 24 oz/680 g goes for $5.99 (US), up $1 from a month ago (thanks to Brandon ;)).
I found this little gizmo (made by Zyiss?) on Amazon a few years back. It's like a mini mandolin for garlic cloves and shaves nice thin slices that fall into the storage chamber. The chips dehydrate fas, then get bagged and stored in the freezer until I need another jar of garlic powder, Then a handful or two will get whizzed into powder in a spare mini processor. Great stuff!

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Post: # 57107Unread post bower
Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:45 pm

I remember a small silicone mat we had at one time for peeling the garlic. It really was quicker but not worthwhile for the clove or two I usually use, and it must have gotten lost over time, I haven't seen one like it in a long while.
I just gave my cloves a single slicing and that seemed good enough for fairly quick dehydrate. A couple of flatter cloves I left whole, but that turned out to be a mistake, as they were not ready with the others. At least one open side makes a big difference.
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Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:45 pm

@Bower I have thought about picking up Gilroy garlic since we are so close but this is easier and closer. We are a cool climate, but I think some of the varieties probably want a real winter and that is what is making them.somewhat fail. They don't totally fail, but you plant a close and at the end of it all, you get something about 2 cloves big. And obviously that is not the return you want. And they are still in several.cloves so they are the super small things that suck to peel.
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:50 pm

mama_lor wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:17 am Has anyone seen garlics with over 50 cloves in one bulb? What kind of type is it? I bought some egyptian garlic in store, they come in packs of three bulbs, the bigger bulb was big, maybe 100g, and had some of the tiniest cloves I've seen, packed one over the other, and a somewhat fusiform shape, with tiny root end which is unusual. I think it didn't have a scape.
Silverskin & artichoke types can have large bulbs with many small cloves... but 50 sounds unusual. The size of the bulb might offer an explanation. If conditions prevent the mature bulb from entering dormancy & the bulb is not dug, each clove may begin growing - and split. That happened to me one wet summer, when the leaves on the artichoke I was growing (Chet's Italian) never died back. By the time I dug them, the bulbs were HUGE... but my elation died when I opened the first one, and found DOZENS of tiny cloves. They were too small to peel, so I just split each clove & threw them in the dehydrator. Once dry, I shook them vigorously in a closed jar; and skins separated, and I winnowed them off.

There are some artichoke garlic varieties that tend to have very few small cloves in the center, if any.
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:06 pm

My garlic went in later than usual (Oct 26th) but given how late the freeze was, that may have been a good thing. I wouldn't want it to sprout & be too active when the freeze came. I used to grow a lot more garlic (at one point 36 varieties) but after losing my entire collection 3 times due to circumstances beyond my control :( I pared way back. I am growing 155 cloves now of 9 varieties, and that quantity seems to suit the needs of my family & friends. After giving some away, the remainder of the 2021 crop was dehydrated, and is just less that 3 pounds dry. We & our adult children use those "chips" in dishes, or grind them for garlic powder (which we use a lot of).

The goal is to settle on 2 varieties each of each type: artichoke, MPS, porcelain, and rocambole at present:
Carpati, Dubna Standard, Estonian Red, Georgian Fire, German White, Ron's Single Center, Special Idaho, and Vic's

I hope to add some Asiatic varieties next year.
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Post: # 57989Unread post bower
Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:06 am

That seems like a good goal, Zeedman. It's always interesting to compare varieties within as well as between groups, and how they respond to conditions in different years. I understand how hard it is to scale back too. The love of diversity is insatiable.... ;)
I've been expanding my garlic growing area each year, but the old veggie garden which I opened up with potatoes last summer turned out to be really full of wireworms - so much that I didn't plant any garlic there yet. So I tried to do justice to the varieties in the present space. Some are still sizing up so I can plant more in a small area, but even my full size bulbs had to go in at 6" X 8" spacing to accomodate all.
I was wondering, in your days of maintaining many varieties, what did you find to be a good number of bulbs per variety, to maintain them?
I am currently doing 30 each for my 3 porcelains and at the other extreme, only 15 for the full grown purple stripes.
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Post: # 58022Unread post zeedman
Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:22 pm

Bower, when I was growing 36 varieties, I used basically the same numbers as yours - 15 of each, maybe 20 of a few favorites. I'm using those same numbers now, a minimum of 15 per variety.

And honestly, while I miss a few of the varieties left behind, I don't miss cleaning, peeling, and dehydrating 500+ bulbs. :shock:
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:45 pm

Tx for the advice, zeedman. It also seemed to me that 15 is about the minimum here, to be sure of getting some good bulbs for seed. But I did lose the Spanish Roja at 15 all the same. Then again... it's pretty pointless to struggle with varieties that don't thrive in your location.
Ah yes, and just curing a huger crop of garlic is fun, with various parts of the house here serving as barn space. It's a good thing I love the smell of it. :lol:
I'm not quite to the level of overwhelming my extended family yet with more than they can eat.
But I'm glad to share scapes with my friend for her CSA when that time comes. :roll: I don't have cold storage for that, and it seems more than we can use on times.
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Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:30 am

You guys need to try more variety. This was my grow out from last year.

Asiatic - Japanese, Pyong Yang
Creole: Pescardo Red, Donostia Red,
Turban - Uzbek, Xian, Basque
Standard Purple Stripe - Chesnok Red
Glazed Purple Stripe - Vekak, Red Rezan
Marbled Purple Stripe - Bogatyr
Wild: Kishlyk
Rocambole - Spanish Roja, Killarney Red
Porcelain - German White, Armenian, Georgian Crystal
Artichoke (softneck) - Kettle River, Chopaka Mountain
Silverskin (softneck) - Idaho Silver, Nootka Rose
Elephant Garlic

I am adding more Rocambole and Creole strains this year and stopping a few of the PS, early hardnecks, and softnecks.

My Rocambole, Porcelains are the size of Elephant garlic. The cloves are very large. I prefer the flavor of Rocambole and Creoles overall. I am at probably the northern most edge of where Creoles will perform adequately (zone 5b, northern illinois)
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Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:45 am

mama_lor wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:17 am Has anyone seen garlics with over 50 cloves in one bulb? What kind of type is it? I bought some egyptian garlic in store, they come in packs of three bulbs, the bigger bulb was big, maybe 100g, and had some of the tiniest cloves I've seen, packed one over the other, and a somewhat fusiform shape, with tiny root end which is unusual. I think it didn't have a scape.

This year I had to renounce Germidour, great tasting garlic, but the yield just isn't there, starts well and then just splits at any inconvenience. Am left with just Messidrome and a very early unknown hardneck with purple wrappers (1 month earlier than germidour). Not as big as messidrome, but the cloves are big (and few).
Yes, this "egyptian garlic" assuming it likely part of the unclassified "middle eastern" group. They grow very poorly in the northern hemisphere. If it was large, it was probably imported.

The following is a quote from "The Complete Book of Garlic" by Ted Meredith.
The weak growth and bulbing of the Middle Eastern cultivars have made it difficult to access their morphology characteristics with the assurance that they have fully expressed themselves, but even at a very small bulb size, they produce numerous cloves in multiple layers. This suggest a kinship with the Silverskin group, yet the cloves are more separated, with rounded sides and an inner surface that is curved but not flattened or concave as is typical of Silverskin cultivars.
ME garlic grows very poorly in temperate climates. It's far more sensitive than even Creoles.

Germidour and thermidrome are both artichokes if I remember correctly. Have you tried growing Rose De Lautrec? Should be much easier for you to get since you're in Europe, and like Germidour, it too is from France.

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Post: # 60024Unread post WoodSprite
Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:58 pm

@Bower - I just saw this thread. I'm looking for Youghiogheny Purple garlic. I tried to order it from Filaree Farm the last few years but they always sell out fast and didn't have it at all this year. Do you grow it? If so, can you tell me where you bought it so I can check there for next year? Thanks.
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Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:05 pm

@WoodSprite sorry it is not one that I know. I don't think I've seen it listed in Canada, either.
There are major barriers to import of garlic between US and Canada, due to pests and disease. You do have a lot of varieties available that are not grown here, some are just not suitable for further north, but others it's too difficult for them to cross the border.
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Post: # 60068Unread post rxkeith
Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:20 pm

i know customs doesn't like soil going across the border from fishing trips into canada.
would garlic bulbils make it across easier? no contact with the soil unless you drop them.
could be viral diseases possibly. bulbils would be small enough to send in a small bubble pack.
i have gotten bean seeds from canada on a couple occasions. i sent them there too.
the bean seeds made it across both ways. why not garlic bulbils?

when i first grew garlic here in the keweenaw, the varieties i ordered from filaree farms were
asian tempest
carpathian
chesnok red
georgian crystal
a german hardneck
inchelium red
idaho silver
of those varieties, idaho silver did the worst. bulbs didn't size up well, and got smaller, and smaller.
it stored well, but just became not worth growing anymore.
georgian crystal did very well, as did most of the others. i think inchelium red pooped out after awhile.
i have also grown nootka rose which did ok the short time i grew it, and polish a couple years also.
music does very well here. i obtained mine from local sources.
you pretty much have to stick with hardneck garlic this far north for a consistently good crop. i don't know
enough about soft neck varieties to determine which ones would do well here. must be some eh?


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Post: # 60298Unread post WoodSprite
Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:50 pm

Thanks, @Bower. (Sorry. I just now saw your reply.)

@rxkeith, many years ago my husband grew at least 15 different kinds of garlic so we could compare them. German White Stiffneck was my favorite. I still grow it and it's still my favorite though I've grown a few other kinds, too. I also grow Siberian and like it a lot, too. I grew Chesnock Red last year and planted more last fall but not sure I'll grow it again. I don't like it was much as German White and Siberian.

Youghiogheny Purple and Georgian Crystal are on my wish list to grow, hopefully next year. I know Filaree Farm sells both. I just need to catch them when they have them in stock.
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Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:02 pm

Yippee! 1st 2022 Garlic Shoot breaks the surface; it should expect company with the temperature heading to ~ 65°F/18.3°C today.

A mere three (3) months til Scape Scalping, and four (4) til harvest.

I'm in NO HURRY!

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