Irrigation system recommendations

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Fri May 27, 2022 2:09 am

zeuspaul wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 3:33 pm And yes dripline is good for rows, that is all I use.
I was preparing one of my tomato rows by digging deep with an auger. The intended use of this row is for a summer planting in an attempt to extend my season. I noticed that the water from the dripline did not have much lateral spread. This will depend on the type of soil. I classify my soil as sandy loam. After about a foot it is compacted/dense.

I modified the drip system in the rows. Now I have a pair of driplines, one on either sided of the plants. The two lines are about 12 inches apart. Considering tomato root systems I think this will give me better results for all the plants with the wider water distribution.

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Fri May 27, 2022 8:33 am

That is why I don't like drip lines. I used soaker hoses years ago and there was no spread of the water into the soil around the plant. It went directly down and into the sandy soil beneath the topsoil and drained away.

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Sat May 28, 2022 1:58 am

From an old Garden Web thread (now houzz).

From what I understand with drippers is that the water dispersing is dependent on the type of soil you have. I have a heavy clay soil too. Water tends to disperse wider that deeper with our kind of soils. Where as sandy loam type soils will drain deeper than wider. I think you will be fine. However I prefer a longer less frequent watering schedule. Good luck.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/21991 ... irrigation
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Sat May 28, 2022 2:10 am

from Michigan State University Extension
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https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/soil_type ... n_strategy
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Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:46 pm

I have been trying to come up with an automated system where I could use a pump in my 55 gal drum of nutrient mix to water (Feed) six to seven 15 gal grow bags 2-3 times per day. One of the problems for me is the output pressure of most pumps is not high enough after traveling thru 40 ft.of pvc pipe to feed most of the emitters that provide a large enough spray area to wet down a 15 gal size grow bag. I would have to set a timer to turn on the pump 2-3 times per day. And the other limitation is I don't want to spend $1,000 bucks to accomplish it. :?

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Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:09 pm

Yak54 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:46 pm I have been trying to come up with an automated system where I could use a pump in my 55 gal drum of nutrient mix to water (Feed) six to seven 15 gal grow bags 2-3 times per day. One of the problems for me is the output pressure of most pumps is not high enough after traveling thru 40 ft.of pvc pipe to feed most of the emitters that provide a large enough spray area to wet down a 15 gal size grow bag. I would have to set a timer to turn on the pump 2-3 times per day. And the other limitation is I don't want to spend $1,000 bucks to accomplish it. :?

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What is the pipe size of the 40 feet of pipe?
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Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:54 pm

When I can shovel the snow away from the garden shed I'll measure it. I want to say it's 3/4" but I'll let you know in a couple of days when I can check it.

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Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:42 am

Yak54 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:54 pm When I can shovel the snow away from the garden shed I'll measure it. I want to say it's 3/4" but I'll let you know in a couple of days when I can check it.

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Yoy mentioned pipe length causing pressure or flow loss.
Not for sure it would help in this situation but the cheapest thing you could do is up size the pipe to reduce friction loss.
That is if you think the pipe length is the actual problem.
I have a 3/4 water meter and up sized my irrigation line to 1 1/2 pipe right after the meter then ran it for about 100 feet to the back flow preventer.
By doing this I gained about 20 gallons a minute.
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Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:58 am

Wow! 20 GPM is a huge gain !

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Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:26 am

Yak54 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:58 am Wow! 20 GPM is a huge gain !
I had the original copper pipe running from the meter to the house and to the nearest hose bib.
I had 50 psi and 10 gallons a minute.
Then I cut into the 3/4 line and came out with a 1 inch tee to a full opening non restricting ball valve then jumped up to 1 1/2 inch PVC.
out of that I got really close to 30 gallons a minute at 50 psi.
At that pressure there was minimal friction loss in the 1 1/2 pipe.
The industry standard for feet per second in water flow in pipe is around 7.
Mine with a calculator dropped down to almost 1 I think because it's been several years.
I had several so called experts say I was wrong and you couldn't do what I did.
None of them had any kind of degree in hydraulic engineering.
The other thing I did was to buy 1 inch control valves and I never ran anything smaller than 1 inch pipe to reduce friction loss and keep the velocity down.
Only going to 1/2 inch at each head.
I got all this information from a web site called irrigation tutorials.
The guy knows what he's talking about.
The other information came from my experience with deluge systems made for fire protection.
Total pipe in my yard is close to 1000 feet.
I ran all control wire with 16 and cable tray direct burial but I ran it underground in pvc conduit.
Conduit and pipe was buried 18 inches underground.
The minimum is 6 inches.
Put it all in by myself with 3 city inspections and approved drawings I made myself upon completion.
The city inspector said it was the best irrigation system he had ever inspected.
Needless to say I saved untold thousands of dollars.
What I'm poor at is pump calculations.
They make so many different kinds for different uses it boggles the mind.
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Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:30 pm

Most of the spray emitters I've seen require 15 psi or more to work properly. So I have to find a pump that will give me at least that downstream at the grow bags going thru approx. 40 ft. of plastic pipe. Most of the systems I've seen use a small size (1/4") of tubing put into the main feed tubing which is usually anywhere from 1/2" to 1". My main issue seems to be being able to have enough psi at the emitters to make them work correctly. For my grow bags I would need these emitters to provide around 3-4 gph.

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Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:27 pm

@Yak54 Have you considered 1/2 gph drip emitters instead of the sprayers?

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Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:50 am

ya I have. :)

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Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:41 pm

Yak54 wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:50 amya I have. :)
15 psi is a tough number to hit. Well pumps make about 35 and transfer pumps make hardly any pressure, usually 1 to 2 psi.

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Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:44 pm

Ya that's what I'm finding out.

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Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:39 pm

What you need is a small booster pump running through a regulator.
Maybe even a discharge valve running water back into the barrel.
Keep in mind this water will get hot.
The only kinds of pumps I know about are big irrigation pumps fire water pumps and jocky pumps..
Transfer pumps as mentioned won't build head pressure.

I have another question do you live below a hill of any kind.
For each 10 feet of elevation you gain 4.3 psi for free.

So 100 feet of elevation will get you approximately 43 psi.
This is how we watered our garden with a big constant level spring fed pond on a hill above our gardens growing up.
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Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:43 pm

Worth1---As usual you contribute meaningful info...like psi increasing as elevation decreases ! :D

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