Accidental cross with a stabilized Brandy Boy

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Accidental cross with a stabilized Brandy Boy

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Post: # 1973Unread post Shule
Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:42 pm

A while back, I received seeds from John11840 of Gardenweb for his stabilized Brandy Boy tomato. He gave me a couple bags (F10 and F12 seeds). The F10 seeds (which I grew in 2019) were PL as expected, but the F12 seeds (which I grew the year before, in 2018) were RL. So, when I realized that Brandy Boy is supposed to be PL, I knew it was a cross. To me, it's a fascinating cross, too!

This post is about the cross and its descendants (not about the true breeding variety, which got a late start, anyway).

Okay, so the F1 (in 2018) was early! It wasn't just early for a big tomato, it was early compared to tomatoes generally. Only a few things were earlier. It was also prolific, and fruited all season. The initial fruits were smaller than the rest. It still had good-sized fruits (not giant, but big enough to call big). It had good flavor. The stems were so firmly attached to the fruits that I'm sure it could be trellised without any worry whatsoever of fruits falling off. I preferred to harvest it with scissors.

I grew several F2s in 2019. They got kind of a late start; so, I'm not sure how early they were, but here's what I got:

* Every plant produced large fruit. Some were pink and at least one was dark pink (the F1 was just pink; so, I'm guessing dark pink is recessive). Most were regular leaf, but I made sure to keep two potato leaf plants. The two potato leaf plants turned out to be by far the most desirable ones (IMO). The stems were not as firmly attached to the fruits as the F1 (I could harvest most of them without scissors).
* The RL plants all tasted similar to each other, with varying production, maturity, plant size, and hang-time. I guess the flavor was kind of like Early Girl F1. I know I said in another post (on Tomatoville) that they pretty much all seemed to taste different (but that was a premature analysis). There was one RL plant that I preferred to the others, however, as it produced more and earlier fruit. Maybe it tasted a bit different.

Okay, here's what the two PL plants were like:

1. This was one of my favorite tomatoes I've ever grown, if not my favorite. The flavor was unique and very tart, in a really good, fine-flavored (but not mild) way. That's what really stuck out. However, it was one of the two earliest F2s, if not the earliest. It produced all season long, steadily (not as heavily as the F1, but definitely good production, and with a longer season, or an earlier start, it probably would have been heavier). I really liked these in frittatas, but they were great fresh. It didn't taste like Brandy Boy at all, nor like Early Girl. The first fruit was heavily catfaced; I don't think the others had major issues there. The fruits were pink.
2. This one tasted almost exactly like Brandy Boy F1. It was nearly a multi-flora, but not quite. Production was good. It was later than plant #1, but it still had a very usable maturity for my climate. It got a fruit from a megabloom with an enormous blossom scar. The fruits were dark pink (like Pruden's Purple).

I plan to grow seeds from fruits of both of the PL plants next year. I've given some seeds to others, too; so, hopefully they'll have feedback when they grow them.

So, here's what we know about the parent of the original cross:
It's regular leaf. It's probably large. It's probably dark pink. The stems probably aren't super firmly attached to the plant (the Brandy Boy F10 did have the super firmly attached stems). John11840 grew it one year. I wonder if it was Cherokee Purple, Indian Stripe, or some such.

I grew all the plants I mentioned with black plastic and drought conditions.
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Post: # 2128Unread post TheDante
Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:40 am

I am humbled… there is so much to learn … just getting dizzy from this.
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Post: # 7080Unread post Ginger2778
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:43 am

Shule, are going to do the F2 this year? You'll likely get 1/4 Pl, are you going for a certain leaf type?
I love this. Our KARMA Peach had a bee cross, I'm growing the F1 now. I think it crossed with a beautiful large pink heart. I'm going to select about 20 PL in the F2, trying for a new bicolor and a new pink heart.
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Post: # 7108Unread post Shule
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:48 pm

@Ginger2778

I'm just planning to grow F3s this year, but I might do more F2s, and try some PL plants that show up from them (possibly another year for the F2s, though). The most notable F2s last year were both PL. So, for the F3s I plan to grow (which came from those two PL plants), they should all be PL this year unless they crossed again.

I'm really excited for ones from the tart, regular pink one. I plan to grow a few of those. I might just grow one or two of the dark pink near-multiflora one. But, if anyone in the USA wants to help out, or just wants to grow either (or even the F2s), feel free to let me know!

I would grow a lot more F3s and F2s, but I have so many other kinds of tomatoes I have seeds to try. So, for now, it's just a few plants from my crosses a year. When I get my own garden and land, then I can hopefully do a lot more! The garden isn't mine, and the owner gets nervous if I plant too many tomatoes compared to other things. I can get away with 60 to 100 tomato plants, usually, but, honestly, I'd love to grow out everything I have in a single year (more than once), and whole fields of F2s and F3s! Granted, I probably wouldn't cage any of them, and I might just plant the F2s/F3s as pre-started seeds instead of transplants (to save time and money, and to help select for early, vigorous plants).

Your bee cross sounds exciting. Maybe you'll get a bicolor heart! :) I don't know if I've ever seen one.
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Full centiflor beefsteak!

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Post: # 23032Unread post Shule
Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:09 pm

So, today, I counted the flowers on some of the PL descendants of the F2s above. The one plant from last year's near-multiflora has 36 buds/blossoms on its first truss. That's quite a few, but I think it had more last year.

HOWEVER,

To my surprise, one of my plants from last year's tart Brandy Boy cross (which wasn't a near-multiflora last year) has ~116 on its first truss, which makes it a full multiflora/centiflor beefsteak! It was grown from fruit #3 of last year's plant. It has two fruits that have set on the truss, so far, including a megabloom, and one blossom to have dropped. The other tart Brandy Boy cross plants have plenty of flowers, but this one seems to have the most, so far.

Here's a picture which shows the most visible flowers on that truss (many of them are pretty tiny, and haven't come to size, and leaves and camera quality are blocking others; you can probably only see 30-something of the ~116):
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The truss has truss has two main branches, which in turn have branches of trusses.

Here's the beginning of the truss structure (the branch on the right is very thick and quickly splits into more branches):
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Here's the other plant (36 buds/blossoms) from last year's near-multiflora, which has also set fruit:
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Post: # 23043Unread post MissS
Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:46 pm

How cool is that. So you have a PL Brandy Boy cross that is multi-flora. Any guess from where the multi-flora gene came from?
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Re: Full centiflor beefsteak!

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Post: # 23047Unread post Shule
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:30 pm

@MissS
All I know about the other parent is that it seems to have had these traits:
* Regular leaf
* Large-fruited
* Dark pink fruit, which seems recessive to the lighter pink
* John11840 of Gardenweb grew it, probably on his F11 generation of his stabilized Brandy Boy.
* I'm guessing the plant size was not large. My plants aren't big, anyway, nor were the F2s (although the RL siblings and the F1 perhaps had larger plants, I think).
* It may be early. The F1 was incredibly early.
* Probably has an oblate beefsteak shape.

I've questioned John1180 about what he grew, but he didn't say. I believe he grows Rutgers, but, it's red.

I don't know where the multiflora trait came from. :) Maybe it's a mutation. Maybe it's environmental. Maybe each parent had only part of the genes necessary.
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