Vining Summer Squashes

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Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:58 pm

LOL, along with tomatoes, peppers, flowers, eggplants, various winter and summer squashes, corn, peas, beans,okra, rozelle, lettuces, cabbage, melons....

I COULD row some of the long vined ones in the back or front, and onto the roof of the first story....sort of like ivy, but I could eat it!!

What is the name of that one in your pictures above, the long one?
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:55 pm

@imp, Here is where I got my seeds (plus a lot of other Asian veggie seeds).
http://evergreenseeds.com/calgouropo.html

The varieties I grew are the India Long, and Asia short (a.k.a. Dhol). A couple other things I thought about, that I forgot: the plants are fairly resistant to bugs, since the leaves, and stems, and "hairy", which is not something the larger bugs like to crawl on. The friits have minute hairs, but not like hairy gourds - another thing you will see in Asian markets, and I tried to grow, but died from disease, before I got a single fruit. These also store much better than regular summer squash - I've had them on my counter for over 2 weeks, and they were barely showing any signs of it.

I don't have a huge lot, by any means, but that's why I dug up almost my entire back yard, to grow things (a 35'x40" garden, plus all the other areas I put things). And I have a lot of trellises, for tomatoes, pole beans, peas, gourds, cukes, and for growing those eggplants against, since they often get taller than me, in those SIPs. If it was legal, I'd dig up my front yard, and grow food!

@Vlado, They have more flavor than zucchini, and a similar flavor, but not much, and not sweet, like some winter squash. Like zucchini, it's all what you put them with! Not a flavorful veggie, like asparagus, and many others.

If you have any Indian groceries in your area, you can find those there, if you want to sample before growing. The SE Asian, Chinese, and Korean markets have had them, but not always.

Another thing I did with them I forgot - the first year, when I had more than I knew what to do with, I sliced them 1/8" thick, and made chips out of them, in the dehydrator. Should have made them a little thicker, but they were still good, as long as the dip wasn't too thick, as they would break.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:16 am

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:25 pm
@imp I found something a few years ago that I use in place of summer squash - bottle gourds. I simply can't grow non-moschata squash here, due to SVBs - I'm lucky to get one or two squash, before the plants are gone. I tried some of the vining varieties, as well as chayote, but gave up on it, and I didn't like that Italian vining zucchini - a moschata species, but the fruits got sappy.

The bottle gourds are a different genus ( Lageneria siceraria) and are not susceptible to SVB. The fruits are sort of like a summer squash - not a whole lot of flavor, and full of water (1 lb reduces to 1 oz, dehydrated), but they don't get mushy, even after 15 minutes cooking! And not seedy, until quite large. The plants are very productive, and very viney! It seems like at the base of every leaf, there's a sucker! One drawback: it flowers at night. Early in the season t
(They start flowering in 45-50 days) I had to hand pollinate them, but later on, night-time insects came around. And when I grew only the long variety, a bunch of female flowers came out, and there were no males to pollinate them! Opposite of winter squash I grow. When both were grown, I guess it was the small one that had male flowers early, I just didn't notice.

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I like the idea of trying immature bottle gourds as a summer squash substitute. Do you need to peel them before cooking them or is the skin also edible and not bitter?

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:05 pm

I grew both Tatume and Giallia Nostrale last season and both were vining and very tasty to me. I had very limited seed for the Giallia Nostrale so it is being grown elsewhere to produce more seeds which I can't do in my short season. I recommend both of these varieties.

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Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:08 pm

I have grown the Giallia Nostrale a few years back and really disliked the fruits, gave them all away and even cut down the vines. Had one friend who liked it, but most went to those with unguarded pick up trucks on Sundays. For me, they were very watery and mushy textured, even with scant water to the plants. They did grow well, almost bursting with vigor, and produced amazing amounts of fruit.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:15 pm

this thread reminds me of the squash i used to have from my great uncle steve. long vines. the squash was a lighter green color, might have had some
darker green stripes. not too long, but could get fatter when mature. i lost it years ago, when the seeds went moldy on me. i made a note to look up
the trailing green marrow variety to see if that one is similar.



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Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:44 pm

I swear I recall some sort of zucchinis that ran, and warty yellow crooknecks that ran all over as well.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm

jmsieglaff wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:16 am
pepperhead212 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:25 pm
@imp I found something a few years ago that I use in place of summer squash - bottle gourds. I simply can't grow non-moschata squash here, due to SVBs - I'm lucky to get one or two squash, before the plants are gone. I tried some of the vining varieties, as well as chayote, but gave up on it, and I didn't like that Italian vining zucchini - a moschata species, but the fruits got sappy.

The bottle gourds are a different genus ( Lageneria siceraria) and are not susceptible to SVB. The fruits are sort of like a summer squash - not a whole lot of flavor, and full of water (1 lb reduces to 1 oz, dehydrated), but they don't get mushy, even after 15 minutes cooking! And not seedy, until quite large. The plants are very productive, and very viney! It seems like at the base of every leaf, there's a sucker! One drawback: it flowers at night. Early in the season t
(They start flowering in 45-50 days) I had to hand pollinate them, but later on, night-time insects came around. And when I grew only the long variety, a bunch of female flowers came out, and there were no males to pollinate them! Opposite of winter squash I grow. When both were grown, I guess it was the small one that had male flowers early, I just didn't notice.

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I like the idea of trying immature bottle gourds as a summer squash substitute. Do you need to peel them before cooking them or is the skin also edible and not bitter?
You are instructed to peel the bottle gourds in the recipes I've seen for them. They have very tiny hairs on them, but what I do is sort of scrub them off - the green skin is not bitter at all, nor is it tough. I just dice it up or shred it up with the flesh.
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