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Post: # 48772Unread post Shule
Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:16 am

I've noticed there seems to be a dearth of discussion on tomatoes that meet this criteria, with regard to flavor. So, what's your favorite, for taste?

Here's the criteria:

* Color must be red, with or without stripes
* Open-pollinated (no F1 hybrids)
* Shape must be either round, oblate, beefsteak, blunt oxheart, or oxheart (no plum, bullet, ovate, or pear tomatoes; ruffled beefsteaks are fine). The oxhearts are going in a separate list below. Be sure to mention your favorites that aren't oxhearts, too, even if you mention favorite oxhearts.
* Size must be medium or large (by medium, I mean it can get to be at least 7oz on the large end of its range)

I admit that most of my favorites don't meet this criteria.

Marion and Chapman were probably my two favorites.

Here are some tomatoes I'm specifically curious about, flavor-wise (among any others you favor; I'm editing some of the ones you mention into the list, too; I've grown a small number of these before, but I figured I'd add them to the list anyway; I'm trying to list basically all the red tomatoes in this class that you can actually obtain, currently):

* Abe Lincoln
* Ace
* Ace 55
* AH3
* AHLO
* Aker's West Virginia
* All Red
* Alpine (Sold out for the year, but they should be back another year. SSC calls it golfball-sized, and it is in-stock there.)
* Amateur's Dream
* American Ribbed
* Amish Canning (Assuming 'much larger than Amish Paste' is at least 2oz larger.)
* Andrew Rahart's Jumbo Red
* Arctic Blum
* Ashleigh
* Atkinson
* Aussie (It was great, but I don't remember it much since I didn't get to taste very much of it. I would have been highly pleased to have loads of them, though. I've been meaning to grow it again.)
* Australia
* AYWC
* Azteca B (Sold out for the year, but they should be back another year.)
* Backa
* Backfield
* Bacon Lettuce and This
* Baker Family Heirloom
* Baladi (Sold out for the year, but they should be back another year.)
* Beauty
* Beauty Lottringa
* Beefmaster OP (Knapp's)
* Behemoth King
* Believe It or Not
* Belmonte
* Better Boy OP (Knapp's)
* Big Beef OP (Knapp's)
* Big Beef OP (TomatoFest's)
* Big Boy OP (SHPC's)
* Big Set (Sold out for the year, but they should be back another year.)
* Big Zac OP (Knapp's)
* Bonnie Best
* Box Car Willie
* Brandywine OTV (PL)
* Brandywine Red (Landis Valley Strain; RL)
* Brandywine Red PL
* Brandywine Red RL
* Break O'Day
* Brunete
* Brunette
* Brutus (There's an F1 hyrbid with the same name.)
* Brutus Magnum
* Buckbee's New 50 Day (Mine probably weren't quite that big when I grew it, but the plant was shaded by other plants.)
* Bulgarian #7 (Out of stock, but they should be back another year.)
* Burbank Slicing (Out of stock, but they should be back another year.)
* Burgess Crackproof (Out of stock, but they should be back another year.)
* Burke's Backyard Italian Marmande
* Burpee Gloriana (Yes, it's not the medium small size of your typical early tomato--at least it wasn't in my garden in 2018; I grew Burpee Sunnybrook Earliana, too, which Tatiana's says is the same, but they were totally different; BG is a lot bigger, rounder, tastier, and more prolific; it cracked and vined more, and produced all its fruit in a short window, while BSBE was like a small-sized beefsteak that produced all season. My source for both was Sand Hill Preservation Center. They're out of stock of Burpee Gloriana, but I have plenty of seeds if you want to send an SASE for it.)
* Burpees Longkeeper
* Burpee's Quarty Century (Out of stock, but they should be back another year.)
* Burpee Sunnybrook Earliana (These were small, rather than medium-sized for me. Taste was okay.)
* Bush Beefsteak
* Bychiy Lob
* Ca Chua Hung
* Cal Ace
* Cal Culterator
* Calypso
* Campbell 146
* Cannonball
* Caribe
* Chapman
* Carmello OP (TomatoFest's)
* Cherokee
* Cherokee Red Potato Leaf
* Chris's Greek Mama (on my 2022 list)
* Classic Beefsteak (Baker Creek)
* Climbing Trip-L-Crop
* Clint Eastwood's Rowdy Red (Only 2", but said to be 6-10oz; must be a dense tomato!)
* Clustermato
* Coldset (Mine was lacking in flavor, but it may have been the soil.)
* Colossal Red
* Connie Cain's
* Coop Red (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Cosmonaut Volkov (Mine had a pretty standard red taste, on the mild side, but a lot of people love this variety.)
* Costoluto Genovese
* Creole (Similar to Thessaloniki, the year I grew it.)
* Crimson Cushion
* Culstrage
* Cuostralee (Mild tangy flavor.)
* Currier (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Debbie
* Delicious
* Diener
* Dinner Plate (growing this year)
* Dominico
* Druzba
* Dwarf Hannah's Prize (striped)
* Dwarf Sweet Scarlet
* Earliana (I don't think mine got to medium-sized.)
* Earlibell (I haven't determined the shape, but based on the facts, I'd guess it would fit here.)
* Early Glee
* Early Rouge
* Ecuador
* Ethel Watkins Best (Mine were probably under 7oz.)
* Fan-3 (PL)
* Favorite
* Fireworks (I believe I grew this in 2017, and mine were smaller than 7oz.)
* Floradade
* Garden Leader Monster (Good balanced flavor and nice texture, if it's not mealy)
* Garrote bicolour Aracenes, Spanish heirloom red beefsteak (I'm guessing it's red even though 'bicolor' is in the name.)
* George's Greek
* Germaid Red (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* German
* Giant Doochov
* Giant Roo (No place to buy, but I plan to grow it in 2022, and hopefully will have seeds to share that fall; other members may have seeds)
* Giantesque
* Golden Girl Marrow
* Good Old Fashioned Red (The taste was about like Cosmonaut Volkov's, when I grew it, if I remember right.)
* Greek Domata
* Green Brooks
* Grosse Lisse
* Ham Green Favorite
* Healani
* Heartlander (PL)
* Herman's Special
* Hilltop Golden Giant (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Holland
* Homestead
* Homestead 24
* Illini Star
* India
* Italian
* Italian Giant Beefsteak
* Italian Heirloom (I think this might be a blunt oxheart.)
* Italian Sweet (gets big)
* Italian Tree
* John Baer
* Kanner Hoell
* Karina
* Kennington's Big Red
* Kewalo
* Kille #7
* Kornesevsije
* Krasnodar Titans
* Krasnyi Krupnyi (if it's red, rather than pink)
* Large Red
* Legend (I grew this before, in 2016; I don't remember if I got to taste it.)
* Liberator
* Liberty Bell (7oz)
* Linda's Faux
* Livingston's Favorite
* Livingston's Honor Bright (Also see Lutescent here.)
* Livingston's Ideal
* Livingston's Ohio Red
* Livingston's Paragon
* Louisiana All Season
* Lyuda’s Mom’s Large Red Ukrainian
* Magnif Potente (Seeds don't seem to be available, but I have a few, albeit they're old--not enough to give away, though, until I grow it and save seeds.)
* Magnum
* Manalucie
* Marglobe
* Marglobe Supreme
* Maria
* Marion (Really good mild flavor.)
* Marizol Red
* Marmande (This one tasted fantastic, but it was similar to Tatura, which I grew next to it, and Tatura didn't taste anything like that the next year. I haven't tried it again, yet.)
* Marmande Garnier Rouge
* Martian Giant
* Marvel
* Maryland Large Red
* Marylin's Best
* Mayo's Delight
* Mega Marv
* Melissa The Caucasian Shepherd
* Merrill Schulz Beefsteak
* Mexican Beefsteak
* Mexican Salad (6 to 8 oz; I mention that since it says 'salad' in the name.)
* Mikado Ecarlote
* Mikka
* Milka's Red Bulgarian
* Mortgage Lifter Red (Not the same color as the regular pink version.)
* Mr. Bruno
* Mr Underwood
* Morman Worlds Earliest
* Moskovich/Moskvich
* Mule Team
* Myra's Giant
* Nectarine
* Nepal
* Neves Azorean Red
* New Hampshire Surecrop
* Nicholas Doochov
* Nota
* Old Brooks
* Old Ferry Morse Beefsteak
* Old Virginia
* Oleyar's German
* Optimus
* Oregon Spring (It's sometimes listed as smaller than 7oz.)
* Orenburg Giant
* Palmira's Northern Italian Beefsteak
* Pantano Romanesco
* Pearl Harbor
* Pearson Improved
* Pepe Jose
* Pepe's Gigante
* Peron
* Peter Glazebrooks
* Picardy
* Phil's Fantastic
* Polar Star
* Polbig OP (Knapp's)
* Portuguese Beefsteak (PL)
* PSR-37 (PL)
* Pusta Kolox
* Queen of the Sea
* Readheart (oblate)
* Red Barn
* Red Buddha
* Red Cloud
* Red Mennonite (PL)
* Red Paragon
* Red Penna
* Red Target
* Red Tree (PL; Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Rico di Parma
* Rosalie's Big Rosa
* Rosii Giant
* Roza
* Russe
* Russian Bogatyr
* Rutgers
* Rutgers (indeterminate version)
* Rutgers Improved
* Rutgers Select
* Ruth's Perfect (7oz)
* RW Cephei
* Sainte Colombe
* Sainte Lucie (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Saint Pierre (I grew this last year, and unless I'm confusing it with another variety, I thought it wasn't red, but everything I'm seeing says it's red.)
* Salobre
* Salsa Pomodoro (If they're in the size range; it looks like they are.)
* Santa Clara Canner (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Santiago
* Sassy Red
* Scarlett Heirloom
* Sheyenne (It wasn't quite medium-sized when I grew it.)
* Shimblenk
* Shirley Amish Red (PL)
* Shuntuk Giant
* Siletz (Grown, but never tasted. It did get fruit that were probably in the size-range, though.)
* Silvery Fir Tree (If mine were medium, they were on the very small side of medium, the two years I grew it.)
* Sioux
* Soldier 37
* Sophie's Choice (Mine were smaller than medium, but my plant was struggling with the weather and/or the soil I believe.)
* St. Ivy
* Starling
* Stone
* Strawberry Margarita
* Sturt Desert Pea
* Success
* Sugar Beefsteak
* Sugar Bison
* Super Beefsteak
* Super Choice
* Super Marmande (Kind of similar to Thessaloniki; maybe a bit less acidic, and a bit less potent and more balanced. I got mine from SHPC.)
* Super Sioux (I only tasted one early-season under-sized fruit.)
* Superbec (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Supersteak OP (Knapp's)
* Sweet Home (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Sweet Scarlet Dwarf
* Tanana
* Tappy's Heritage
* Tati's Wedding
* Tennessee Britches (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Tennessee Sweet
* Texwine
* Thessaloniki (A fairly potent and complex red.)
* Trophy (5-7oz)
* Tropic (Mine are from SHPC.)
* Tsarskiy Ljubimec
* Ultrabec
* Uncle Mark Bagby
* Urban Beefsteak (Mine were smaller than medium when I grew it.)
* Urbikany
* V.R. Moscow
* Valiant
* Valorana (Out of stock, but should be back another year.)
* Vezha
* Victoria (PL; 7oz)
* Vita 29
* Viva Lindsey's Kentucky Heirloom
* Volgradskiye 323
* Volovsko Srce
* Walter
* Wayahead
* West Virginia Penitentiary
* Whopper OP (Knapp's)
* Willamette
* Wisconsin 55
* Wisconsin Chief
* Wood's Famous Brimmer
* Yates Beefsteak (3-7oz)
* Zhezha
* Zogola

Anyway, so what's your favorite? Feel free to evaluate them even if you didn't like them, though.

Here are the red medium and large oxhearts:
* Bobbie
* Coeur De Boeuf
* Danko
* Eagle's Beak
* EM-Champion
* George Detsikas Italian Red (Oxheart, blunt oxheart, or beefsteak. Mine was good.)
* German Red Strawberry
* Giant of Siebenburgen
* Gildo Pietroboni
* Goatbag
* Heartlander
* Italo
* King Kong
* Krupnya Grozd
* Large Heart Tiger Stripe (has stripes)
* Maria Amazileties Giant Red
* Mayo's Delight
* Oxheart Red
* Prue
* Raspberry Oxheart
* Reif Red Heart
* Russian 117
* Sylvan Gaume (oxheart)
* Teton de Venus
* Valentina Doohova
* Wes (oxheart/irregular shape)


I've removed some from the list because they turned out not to meet the criteria, or else they weren't available--e.g. Ramapo (which is an F1 hybrid).

Also, these which didn't have a seed source:
* Mozark
* Surpriz

Also, these pinks that were reported as red:

* Crnkovic Yugoslav
* Granny Cantrell German Red
* Marianna's Peace (Mine was kind of normal in flavor. I think I overwatered it, because it has a decent following for excellent taste.)
* Rawlings
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Post: # 48775Unread post Whwoz
Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:51 am

Garrote bicolour Aracenes, Spanish heirloom red beefsteak would be our favourite red tomato to eat, Closely followed by Costuloto Genovese.

Costuloto Genovese has been refined over hundreds of years selection in Italy as a Sauce tomato. It is therefore drier and not as juicy as some.

The only other tomato on your list I have grown is Grosse Lisse. Very much a vine ripened version of the typical supermarket tomato here Down Under

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Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:07 am

Thanks, Whwoz. I'll probably edit more varieties into the list of ones I'm specifically curious about.
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Post: # 48782Unread post PlainJane
Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:27 am

I like Aker’s West Virginia as it’s so reliable. In addition to tasting great it doesn’t crack, produces really well and is disease resistant.
I’m growing Rawlings for the first time this year. Getting a decent amount of fruit but not as resistant as Aker’s. Taste is certainly decent.
I’ve grown Queen of the Sea a couple of times before. I’d give it high marks for taste, production about average, resistance average.
I grew Névés once and may try it again. I remember it producing fewer but larger fruit with good taste.

The problem I always run into with my growing season is that large fruit is maturing during the start of the Florida monsoon weather. Early June is a seesaw between “nice, dry” and “instant sweat, rain every day”. By mid-June it’s just plain hot & humid. Any tomato that can deal with all that is a winner.
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Post: # 48793Unread post JRinPA
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:46 am

I grew Thessaloniki for the first time and Cuostralee for probably the fourth time last year. Costoluto Genovese, I have grown twice in the past.
This year I have 26 Cuostralee plants in a row. That should say it all regarding my favorite taste.
No Thessaloniki. They were good but I didn't want too much confusion this year with too many different red tomatoes to keep separate.
I have 5 Costoluto Genovese that made it. Those I'm giving another go for sauce. Previously, the ribs on the CG did not do well in the shade of the back yard, so now they are getting a full sun trial.

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Post: # 48813Unread post Cole_Robbie
Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:48 pm

There are a lot of juicy tomatoes that I like, far fewer more firm ones. One more firm red that I like a lot is mr bruno. We have sold a lot of them at the farmers market.

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Post: # 48824Unread post jmsieglaff
Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:20 pm

I've tried a small portion of your list--for flavor--Neve's Azorean Red is my favorite--rich, sweet with enough balancing acid. It is a very large plant, I always get tremendous production of large to very large fruit, on the later side however.

Nice to see a reply selecting Aker's West Virigina--I've had seed for a while and it's been on my short list but I haven't gotten it into the mix, I'll have to make a point of it next year.

I had raised a plant of Old Brooks and had given it to a friend to grow in a container a few years back. I really enjoyed the flavor, rich tomato, nice zippy tartness with some sweetness--but that plant was grown in suboptimal conditions, another I want to try in my garden sometime.

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Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:19 pm

I grew Chapman more than a decade ago and iirc it was a large red OP beefsteak. I was growing 30 other varieties that year, mostly not red, and almost all of them went to my neighbors, who liked red tomatoes.

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Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:12 pm

I grew and enjoyed Linda's Faux last year, which I understand is a PT leaf version of Aker's. Nice tomato with good production, pretty good disease resistance and very tasty tomatoes. I've heard it is a bit more productive than Aker's but haven't grown that one. This year I have Neve's going from the MMMM and really looking forward to tasting them.

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Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:43 pm

I think weather makes red tomatoes excel in flavor, much more so than variety. I have had early girl and better boy that were better than any heirloom, but that was just one year where the weather was perfect, lots of rain at first, then no rain at all for the 2nd month. As soon as it finally rained, the perfect flavor disappeared. The only other red tomato I have tasted that was better was off an abandoned plant in an overgrown high tunnel, my early summer crop I let go to weeds. There was a peiping chieh plant from which I picked a ripe fruit as I was pulling the vine in a hot dry october. I think the less water you give a red tomato, the better they taste.

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Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:35 am

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Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:40 am

habitat-gardener wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:19 pm I grew Chapman more than a decade ago and iirc it was a large red OP beefsteak. I was growing 30 other varieties that year, mostly not red, and almost all of them went to my neighbors, who liked red tomatoes.
I totally thought Chapman was pink, but Tatiana's says it's red. I've grown it before. It tastes great (I wouldn't figure it was a red by the taste). Excellent tomato. Good production (albeit kind of late), too. Very large fruit.
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:44 am

Cole_Robbie wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:43 pm I think weather makes red tomatoes excel in flavor, much more so than variety. . . .
My experience agrees with you, for at least some tomatoes. I need to grow the others more to evaluate that further.
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:45 am

AlittleSalt wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:35 am "Pink"
What do you mean?
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Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:41 pm

lol Shule, I've never eaten a bad tasting PWR homegrown tomato. If I were to grow RWR tomatoes, it would be Red Ambrosia and Campari. However we found a Red cherry tomato at Albertson's grocery store that has a surprisingly good taste. It's "Signature Farms - Cherry No. 9". It is greenhouse grown, but you wouldn't know that if the package didn't have it written on it.

As for larger tomatoes - my wife and family likes hard-as-a-rock tasteless grocery store tomatoes, so I don't grow them.
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Post: # 48892Unread post rxkeith
Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:05 pm

i grew akers west virginia, and really liked the flavor, but jeez, i only had
three ripe tomatoes off it before frost lowered the boom. i need something
earlier for a tomato. i don't see milkas red bulgarian on your list. you should
consider it. i am growing it again this year from seeds saved in 2010 that still
germinate like they are fresh seeds.
another one that is red but not round is blackfoot. i got this one from someone in
wyoming i think. it is a multi shaped tomato, decently productive in my garden with
good flavor. i will certainly grow it again, just not this year.
if memory is correct, (scratches head) bulgarskoye chudo is a big red one. i got lots
of seeds from that one in 2018 from carolyns seed offer. might want to double check color.
that was a one slice will cover a slice of bread tomato. tasty, and juicy it was.


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Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:22 pm

I grew George Detsika’s Italian Red a few years ago and really liked it. I saved seeds and I need to try it again next year.
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AlittleSalt wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:35 am "Pink"
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Post: # 48970Unread post Tormato
Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:36 pm

I've trialed roughly 200 reds, 200 hearts (of different colors), 1000+ pinks, and about 200 of all the other various shapes and colors.

Almost all reds in my garden are duds, with the exception of red hearts.

There are only three (excluding hearts) that I consider superb. Bulgarian Triumph is one, but is too small for the requirements of this thread.
That leaves Neves Azorean Red, and Bacon Lettuce and This. With some luck, a fourth superb red could show up in my garden, this year, unexpectedly.

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Post: # 49031Unread post TXTravis
Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:00 pm

Of your list, Wisconsin 55 is the only one I've tried. It also happens to be one of my very few "plant it every year" tomatoes (along with Andiamo, Big Beef, Yellow Pear, and probably Gary'o Sena and Cherokee Carbon and KBX). Good disease resistance, nice looking fruit, VERY good flavor (though I tend to like my toms pretty acidic, so YMMV).
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