Best Peas for Fall/Winter Peas?

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Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:17 pm

The pea list has been updated in the MMMM 2022 non-tomatoes/peppers thread.

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Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:05 pm

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Final pea harvest. I’m slowly figuring out how and when to do peas. Modest results this season, but so far I’ve relegated the peas to the low rent district of the garden. I’m upgrading that area every year.

I like Sabre shelling pea the best so far. Most of these are Wando. Lillian’s caseload were my least favorite.

I’m going to make a better effort next time around. Bigger, taller types with much upgraded supports and in better soil.
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Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:41 pm

I wish I could grow fall/winter peas here but it's a no-go. I'd have to plant them in mid August to have peas before the first killing frost. The soil's so hot they won't germinate. I have gotten them to pop up in the heat by soaking the shallow planting trench with water, sowing seed and then covering up the row with cardboard or soaked newspaper sections. Gotta remove the cover as soon as the first few seeds pop up or you'll have a leggy mess that will never recover. However once up they just can''t deal with the heat which lasts late into September.

One other thing I've noticed is that if I plant something in the spring and again in the fall (Octoberish), the fall-planted ones take a lot longer to mature which I ascribe to the shortening day lengths.

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Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:57 pm

My best timing for sowing I have so far determined is seeding around the winter solstice into early January. I haven’t had much success going in with seeding in November or early December. I don’t know how far into the winter I can continue to sow and have a successful crops. I might try to seed some in late January or early February next season.

The November into early December seeded ones seem to sit there and not do much. I might try again this fall going in even earlier, maybe late October.

I plan on playing around with various cultivars and timing and see what sticks
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Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:18 pm

My spring sowing usually occurs sometime between late February and the first week of March, depending on how wet the soil is and what the weather looks like. It varies year to year. By mid May I'm usually picking the last ones and pulling out the vines.

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Wed Apr 17, 2024 3:26 pm

https://brazoria.agrilife.org/files/201 ... _13_18.pdf

Our local planting calendar has the best times as 10/01-12/15 and then 01/15-03/01. I have only had some success with planting peas in between those windows.

Next fall the plan it to grow far less onions, less of some of the brassicas and less other cool season veggies and devote more and better space to peas.
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Sun Nov 03, 2024 7:46 am

Just wanted to update that Golden Sweet is the hands down winner for late sown peas here.
These were planted around the time the garlic came out in early August.
I soaked and planted a random assortment of peas: Tai Chung, Calvert, Golden Sweet and Avalanche. None of the Avalanche showed up - maybe didn't like the heat at planting. The others came on and began to flower early October but were very slow to set any peas. Shown here first week of October.
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Keeping in mind it was a warm fall and no frosts until mid or late October. There were many lovely flowers and finally, a few peas.
I only got a handful but the differences were really notable.
Tai Chung was the first to flower, however I only got a couple of peas. They were not as numerous in the mix, and easy to tell because of their pink flowers. They produced clean peas though, even though there was lots of dieback around them.
Calvert only produced one pea, and sadly it was covered in mildew. So it seems too susceptible to those die down late season diseases, and better for warm weather.
Golden Sweet was the clear winner. It set and grew maybe a dozen small pods before our first frost of -2C, which I picked before the frost. I also covered the plants for two frosts of -2C (28F) and put a couple of water containers on the ground to keep roots from freezing. They have now been through numerous frosty nights without any cover and shockingly, Golden Sweet is growing another handful of pods.
Bearing in mind it is now november, and our days are less than 10 hours of daylight, and many days with highs not reaching 50F/10C, I'm very impressed with Golden Sweet as a fall pea.
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Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:57 pm

GoDawgs wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:44 am This is a chart, originally published in the '80s is one I've relied on for years and seems to still hold pretty true, at least for my area. It shows percentages of germination at various temps for a list of vegetables and the optimalgermination temp for each. The link is still alive after all this time.

https://tomclothier.hort.net/page11.html
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That chart makes a case for starting everything at 77F with a few exceptions like spinach or celery. And it confirms something I have found - cauliflower is hard to germinate and those seed packs that say 90% germination of cauliflower are probably flat out lying.

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Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:22 pm

I always liked the snow peas but they never make it into the house.
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Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:01 am

JRinPA wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 5:57 pm
That chart makes a case for starting everything at 77F with a few exceptions like spinach or celery. And it confirms something I have found - cauliflower is hard to germinate and those seed packs that say 90% germination of cauliflower are probably flat out lying.
That might be true if seeding cauli directly in ground. I've never tried that as I sow mine indoors in cups. Those come up in about four days.

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Mon Nov 04, 2024 3:21 pm

For me broccoli and cabbage jump right up but cauliflower is poor germination. So that data fits my experience. This is all three in the same tray...

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Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:17 pm

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Sugar Magnolia on the right and Champion of England on the left. Added the supports today. Peas got sowed just before New Year’s. They are all up.
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Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:24 am

If you ever run across Austrian winter peas, you might want to give them a try. Generally, they are hardy down to 0 degrees F. I've heard of survival down to -10 degrees F.

However, they are rarely used for human food. Extremely young pods might be OK as snow peas, though likely not being as sweet as one would like. Some say that the young shoots/tendrils are the best tasting part of the plant, usually used in salads.

Super Sugar Snap is my favorite for a snap pea, Lincoln my favorite for a shelling pea. I have a sweet tooth. I'll sometimes grow snow peas. But, they just don't have the volume that I'm looking for, like that of a snap pea.

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Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:56 am

https://grownintheuk.co.uk/pea-champion ... scription/

I was attracted to the potential height of these particular peas. C. Darwin evidently liked them.

Sugar Magnolia is supposed to make abundant tendrils. Hopefully, I’ll get to harvest some. Plan is to let these peas grow as long as they like. They have ~120 days from sowing to grow until May. Both Listed as 70 days to maturity. I figure that means about 90.

I had some success with Sabre and Wando for shelling peas last year, but I want something taller this time around. I had some diminutive snap pea, can’t remember the name, as well produce a few pods. The peas last year all got rather bad spots in the garden that I don’t generally have any specific plans for. Waste areas, more or less, full of cypress roots, over by the various herbs and cardoons. I still might sow some of the shorter types over there since I actually got a harvest. This is in the in the ground garden. In my raised beds, I have planted peas in the fall in the past, but they never really take off until it’s time to transplant things like peppers or tomatoes. So I end up removing growing pea plants in favor of some other crops.
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Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:47 am

Tormahto wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:24 am Super Sugar Snap is my favorite for a snap pea, Lincoln my favorite for a shelling pea. I have a sweet tooth. I'll sometimes grow snow peas. But, they just don't have the volume that I'm looking for, like that of a snap pea.
Agree about Super Sugar Snap. I like the original Sugar Snap as well. One of them matures about five days earlier than the other in my garden, but I never can remember which one. I plant both each year. My sugar snap/super sugar snap seeds somehow produce a few snow pea plants each year, some instability in the seeds I guess, but it's the perfect amount of snow peas so I'm not unhappy about it.

I've done pretty well with Wando and Green Arrow for shelling peas and find both to be delicious. I'll try to remember to give Lincoln a try next time I need pea seeds.

My post has nothing to do with the "fall/winter peas" topic because we can't seem to grow fall peas here. By the time it's cool enough to plant them and have them thrive, it's too late for them to mature before it gets cold and the days get too short.

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Peas up and didn’t seem to be fazed by the downpours overnight.
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karstopography wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:53 am IMG_5319.jpegIMG_5320.jpeg

Peas up and didn’t seem to be fazed by the downpours overnight.
Good timing on the planting.

If the predicted weather is going to be heavy rain, I hold off on planting until the rain passes. Here, I have excellent drainage with about 100 feet of sand below the garden soil. But, that soil has a lot of organic matter in it, that holds in moisture. Peas and beans will rot, rather than germinate, when the soil is too moist. When I only have a few seeds of a rare (to me) variety, I germinate them indoors. With plenty of seeds of a variety, I direct sow, and sometimes direct sow a second time after a failed first sowing. The weathermen are not always right.

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Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:33 am

Tormahto wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:23 am
karstopography wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:53 am IMG_5319.jpegIMG_5320.jpeg

Peas up and didn’t seem to be fazed by the downpours overnight.
Good timing on the planting.

If the predicted weather is going to be heavy rain, I hold off on planting until the rain passes. Here, I have excellent drainage with about 100 feet of sand below the garden soil. But, that soil has a lot of organic matter in it, that holds in moisture. Peas and beans will rot, rather than germinate, when the soil is too moist. When I only have a few seeds of a rare (to me) variety, I germinate them indoors. With plenty of seeds of a variety, I direct sow, and sometimes direct sow a second time after a failed first sowing. The weathermen are not always right.
We had a warm and dry spell when I sowed the peas. There was just enough moisture in the soil by my guess. I go to the germination time and temperature charts to see what to expect at what temperature. I really try to plan any sowing when the weather looks favorable.

I’m still trying to work out timing for peas here. The local ag extension agency planting calendars (the best calendars by far from my experience as compared to Old Farmer’s Almanac and other online non-local sources) have peas going in 10/01-12/15 and then 1/15-3/01. I haven’t had much luck with the fall schedule.
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Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:52 am

Tormahto wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:23 am ... When I only have a few seeds of a rare (to me) variety, I germinate them indoors. With plenty of seeds of a variety, I direct sow, and sometimes direct sow a second time after a failed first sowing. The weathermen are not always right.
Thanks for the reminder! This might be the answer to sowing fall beans here when it's hot and dry and no relief in sight. When it's too hot in August for fall beans to germinate, I usually use a heavily watered trench, backfill, sow seed and cover with soaked newspaper sections for a couple of days to keep the soil cooler for germination. Most times it works but if I have some MMMM seed samples, pre-germination for the sowing part of this hot weather method should be the answer.

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Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:19 pm

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Planted a double 4’ row of Sabre Peas between the Cardoon in the background and in between the Saffron Crocus to the base of the spear point. Sabre is a 30-36” tall shelling pea that does well in hotter weather. I’ve grew it last year and like the flavor of Sabre better than Wando.
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