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I got maters too

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Post: # 29896Unread post Bower
Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:30 pm

Well 2020... late but better than never. I was glad to finally line a few up on the table that are more than I can eat in a day.
More will ripen before its over, even though it's not far off.
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:32 pm

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Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:34 pm

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Post: # 29899Unread post Bower
Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:36 pm

This is Petrusha Ogorodnik, which I got from Marina and grew in 2012. Time for fresh seeds!
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Post: # 29900Unread post Bower
Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:38 pm

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Here is Zolotoy Zapas, growing for Carolyn's tribute, but still waiting for a fruit without any BER to save seeds.
Thank you Carolyn, these are amazing :)
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Post: # 29902Unread post Whwoz
Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:44 pm

Some beautiful tomatoes there @Bower, are the first ones your own breeding
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:31 pm

I'm so glad that you have some of your own tomatoes. It must be so frustrating to look at everyone else's for so long without one of your own to taste.
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Post: # 29907Unread post Shule
Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:01 pm

Your pictures look outstanding, and so does your fruit! :) Excellent job!

What varieties are pictured before post #4?

Did you grow Yellow Plum? Which variety is that small yellow one?

Thanks for sharing! :)
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Post: # 29914Unread post karstopography
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:24 am

Those look like very well pampered tomatoes, where are the bug holes and cracks! No splitting either. Nice job on some very pretty tomatoes.
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Post: # 29916Unread post Bower
Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:20 am

@Whwoz yes they are - nearly all of these are breeding lines which I'm still following up.
In this picture, two determinate Skippers from last year are in the front row. The two earliest seedlings got places in the greenhouse and they are identical to the parents from last year. I'm not sure exactly what generation to reach stability with these, because the diverse lot of determinate plants resulted from a cross between sibling plants by a bee. There was as much variation last year as an F2 or F3 - I have several plants with mini beef shape as well. This is my personal favorite, very rugged healthy plants, and the fruit characteristically is firm, sweet and spicy. The largest of these weigh 40-50 g (1.4-1.8 oz). Parents of these lines were (Napoli a Fiaschetto X Black Cherry) X (Zolotoe Serdtse X Black Early).
The pink black minibeef in the middle row is an F5 of Black Kitten Paws. I started these because my friend lost her F6 seeds, but then she found them again, so she will have F7 seed this year. My F5 had smaller clusters and larger fruit than the classic Kitten Paws, which was surprising. The true line is more of a multiflora with clusters of couple dozen fruit. Stupice X Black Cherry.
The red in the back row is a cross between the Kitten Paws F2 and (Eva Purple Ball X PI120256) - this is an F2 so lots of variation. I kept 3 early plants with promising flowers, the one shown is the medium sized fruit which had the best set, but the larger red won the taste test. I was really happy to see the earliness from Stupice coming through, as I had a lot of trouble to get fruit from EPB and PI120256 - that is a cold tolerant accession originally from Turkey which was quite late to set any fruit for us here. Larger kpepi red shown on the scale, 5.8 oz. Not a monster by any standards, but a nice size to me. :)
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Post: # 29917Unread post Bower
Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:47 am

@Shule the yellow fruit is an F3 of a cross between my Warbler Yellow line and V. Desyatku - a determinate yellow beef. I was looking for the outstanding fruity taste of the Warbler in a somewhat larger size and a determinate plant, so 4 of these got places in my little greenhouse, and a friend grew out a couple more.
I had one determinate in the F2 but the fruit were quite small and taste was not what I was looking for, so this F3 was from an indeterminate plant which had the fruity taste and larger fruit. I got two determinates this time! One is a compact bush, the other made a long, semi-determinate vine with lots of fruit. Once again though, that special taste and larger fruit was best represented in one of the indeterminate plants. I'm not well decided where to go with this, since I really find indeterminates a bother to grow. My friend though will enjoy the indeterminate one so, as usual, saving seeds from multi lines. The smaller determinate has at least a hint of the flavor I'm looking for when it's fully ripe, so I may grow that out and hope to see some variation in the F4.
As you can see, it's the size of plant that is no trouble at all! ;)
The taste in this line is all over the place in F3 as it was in F2, ranging from tangy, to mild and honeylike, to intense and fruity. Whether I'll continue to see that variation going forward ??? IDK but I can only hope so.
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Post: # 29918Unread post Barb_FL
Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:57 am

Your tomatoes are beautiful. Your plants looks great; so nice and green.
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:29 am

They look fantastic. :D :D :D
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Post: # 29924Unread post Bower
Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:52 am

@karstopography , "no bug holes" is one of the advantages of growing in a greenhouse. Except for one year, I had slugs inside, and that was bad - they sure like blushing tomatoes! But most of the bugs are not getting in.
Actually both of the Kitten Paws lines have some splits - the KP itself is an awful splitter. I can't leave them to fully ripen on the vine, and sometimes they just burst apart when you pick em. Those thin skins that most everybody loves are a bit of a nuisance. ;)
As for the reds in that child line, the shapes are pretty random and 'imperfect', and the skin is thin and splits on top.
All of the Skipper lines have a firmer skin, non splitters and are pretty good at keeping their shape. One of the minibeef shapes, a neglected plant that was stuck in a corner without sunshine, has set some fruit that are quite a ruffly shape, compared to the early sibling that already ripened. This plant just got moved to a better position to hurry grow up those fruit. If the bigger ruffly red starts to flower again in time, I might try a cross with that too. I would just love to see a plant with ruffly shapes that comes out perfectly shaped every time... too much to ask? Probably. :lol:
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Post: # 29927Unread post Growing Coastal
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:44 am

That's a nice lot of great looking tomatoes. Late? One of my neighbours picked their first ripe Early Girl this week. It is 2020.
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Post: # 29928Unread post EdieJ
Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:04 am

Looks like they were worth the wait, though! 😃
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:25 am

Beautiful tomatoes!
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Post: # 30078Unread post KathyDC
Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:15 pm

That all looks so pleasing. I love the ribbed ones.
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Post: # 30099Unread post Bower
Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:02 pm

@KathyDC I couldn't help thinking of you as I watched the ruffly ones coming on. :) I agree with you that ruffles are very pleasing! The PI120256 was the ruffly parent in this cross. I think the flat ruffled shape is very elegant whether large or small, but difficult to get actually flat fruit here in the land of catfacing weather. But thankfully I did get a few "nearly perfect" or at least flat and roundish in one plane, so I can faintly hope that future generations will throw out a more regular (but equally ruffly!) line. Shown in the bottom tray below, of next days pickins after I posted the above.
Have you ever grown Zena's Gift? That is the most amazing ruffled fruit ever, the shapes are perfect, but not flat, they are very deep and round, like giant pantaloons or parachutes... enormous and pink. :)
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Post: # 30153Unread post KathyDC
Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:44 am

Bower wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:02 pm
@KathyDC I couldn't help thinking of you as I watched the ruffly ones coming on. :) I agree with you that ruffles are very pleasing! The PI120256 was the ruffly parent in this cross. I think the flat ruffled shape is very elegant whether large or small, but difficult to get actually flat fruit here in the land of catfacing weather. But thankfully I did get a few "nearly perfect" or at least flat and roundish in one plane, so I can faintly hope that future generations will throw out a more regular (but equally ruffly!) line. Shown in the bottom tray below, of next days pickins after I posted the above.
Have you ever grown Zena's Gift? That is the most amazing ruffled fruit ever, the shapes are perfect, but not flat, they are very deep and round, like giant pantaloons or parachutes... enormous and pink. :)
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I am flattered! No I haven't, but I'll have to add it to my list to consider growing for 2021 and on. Right now my 2021 grow list, well it changes constantly, but right now for ruffled ones I have listed Mushroom Basket, Yellow Ruffled and Ovita.
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