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Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:51 am
by JRinPA
Burnout is not really how I feel. Not yet at least. It is pushing September now and I'm ready for the weather to cool off and spend more time outside with the dogs. By the end of September, after many iterations with canner and the freezers full with vegetables, that's when I may be sick of garden stuff.

Here in PA there is a fairly limited window when different crops can be grown normally, in the ground, outside. Definite cycles. Tomatoes are well ripened late July to late Sept. To get good tomatoes outside that window you have to cheat nature one way or another, be it special starts, pots, greenhouses, indoor growing, or covers. Tomatoes make August and September very special. But tomatoes of course are not the only thing to grow. Each crop has its own window, and trying to manage it all to get the most out of the limited garden space - that is very appealing to me.

I guess I am to the point where everything is clicking pretty well with the various gardens. I can sit and stare and ponder and relax, and I feel like I can grow anything that will grow here. It never really feels like work, though I know it is a time sink for me. Six years back I was developing plot plans and building more beds each year. Bringing in a lot of good compost and building up rows. Now I have plastic mulch where and when I need it, over established rows, row cover, drip tape, access to reasonable water where needed...

Since two years back, it seems like I could shift into high gear. Get plenty of starts going in the spring. Bury fish under the rows before I plant. After that, cruise. It's just a matter of how much time I want to put into it. I'm still refining some things, but for the most part I think my garden plans are fully developed.

No, not burned out. Just ready for the leaves to change.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:49 am
by Tomatina
I'm still okay, but one thing, that is bothering me, is the lack of rain & the hot temperature - it was supposed to rain two days ago and yesterday - nothing - at least it cooled down.
Spring started off quite fine weatherwise, but the last two month were quite hot and dry. We're having two properties/gardens, maybe 500m away from each other, one has just our rainwaterstorage & a dwell, both are very low by now.
So we have to decide, which plants we will keep watering..well luckily it is kind of late in season allready.
This watering everything all the time is a bit tiring - need to improve some things for next season & pray for more rain:)
Also, I really want to focus more on produktive plants, plant them closer together, somehow "compress" everything. I really love to try new things and expand our plantdiversity, but if there are too many, I can't really care for them all properly..well, maybe the plan for next season "less is more" (let's see how I feel about that next year:)
I'm looking forward to fall & winter, which is quite unusual for me.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:06 am
by Salaam
So far, I could do this forever! No burnout. But, what I find this time of year is that other demands on my time such as family begin to pull a little bit more and I have to spend less time in the garden than before. So the garden's a bit more neglected than it was in spring.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:59 am
by Tormahto
karstopography wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:37 am There’s some hard luck stories here.

What’s the right balance to have with the garden to avoid the burnout?

I’m in a situation currently where I’m not gardening to make ends meet or necessarily put food on the table. The fun part of gardening for me is bringing in or using something I grew for a dinner or lunch. Getting that tomato that doesn’t look like a store bought one and doesn’t taste like one either.

I keep adding new beds every season, but at some point it could be too much to care for. We took out three hollow big oak trees last week that threatened falling on the trucks and waterwell, but now I have a full sun almost the entire day of type spot to grow things like melons or corn that won’t tolerate much of any shade. Do I build the beds or say enough is enough? I won’t do anything until it cools off.
One thing to try to balance when expanding a garden, is low maintenance vs high maintenance plants. Adding more low maintenance things doesn't add a lot of extra work. I don't know how alliums/scallions/onions fare in Texas, but up here they are about the easiest thing to grow. Weeding could be the biggest chore. But to avoid almost all weeds, I anchor down strips of cardboard between the rows of plants.

Another thing would be to have some beds exclusively for very early harvests, some for main season harvests, and others for late season harvests. Some beds would be dormant while others are active, depending on the time of year. That beats planting and harvesting, and planting and harvesting again, in the same bed.

Greatly expanding a garden really means planning well ahead, before it all becomes overwhelming.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:13 pm
by Mark_Thompson
Tormato wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:59 am One thing to try to balance when expanding a garden, is low maintenance vs high maintenance plants. Adding more low maintenance things doesn't add a lot of extra work.
When tomatoes are a high maintenance plant you’re pretty much stuck though

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:55 pm
by karstopography
@Tormato Onions here are easy as it gets. Timing on the sets going in is around Thanksgiving. Any short season type. A bundle of sets of 60 or 70 onions is something like a $1 or thereabouts. They bulb up in April into early May. I did about 100 onions last year and I’ll triple that number this fall. Onions like 1015 Legend are very popular in the family. I won’t have any trouble giving away whatever I don’t want. Then, I can plant winter squash or peanuts or okra or cantaloupe something along that line in their wake.

Weeds have never been a problem here so that’s a plus. Probably something about the raised beds, but even the original non-raised bed isn’t a weed magnet. About the only weeds are volunteer tomatoes and peppers.

I’ve really been enjoying the past year’s fall and winter gardens. Most of that gets planted in late October into December. The weather is more pleasant for working outside and the pest pressures are way down. Leafy greens and the cabbage and mustard family stuff isn’t so labor intensive anyway.

This time of year, the tomato plants are just sprawling and ugly. I have mostly abandoned any effort to tame them. I put a little fertilizer on them recently to perk them up for a potential fall crop. The plan is let the best of the bunch to ride into the fall. I did pick a 7 1/2 ounce Beefmaster this morning that was blushing and noticed a couple more little tomatoes on that plant forming. That one looks like a keeper for fall. Sungold is setting fruit again. Some of the peppers are tired and sick looking, while others look good. I’ve added fertilizer to them. I planted a few bush filet beans, Rolande and they are up.

Tomatoes are the most exhausting thing I grow. Everything wants to eat them and they need constant attention, pruning, tying up, defense, water, etc. They are great and I enjoy them a ton, but it’s a lot of work.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:18 pm
by Tormahto
karstopography wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:55 pm @Tormato Onions here are easy as it gets. Timing on the sets going in is around Thanksgiving. Any short season type. A bundle of sets of 60 or 70 onions is something like a $1 or thereabouts. They bulb up in April into early May. I did about 100 onions last year and I’ll triple that number this fall. Onions like 1015 Legend are very popular in the family. I won’t have any trouble giving away whatever I don’t want. Then, I can plant winter squash or peanuts or okra or cantaloupe something along that line in their wake.

Weeds have never been a problem here so that’s a plus. Probably something about the raised beds, but even the original non-raised bed isn’t a weed magnet. About the only weeds are volunteer tomatoes and peppers.

I’ve really been enjoying the past year’s fall and winter gardens. Most of that gets planted in late October into December. The weather is more pleasant for working outside and the pest pressures are way down. Leafy greens and the cabbage and mustard family stuff isn’t so labor intensive anyway.

This time of year, the tomato plants are just sprawling and ugly. I have mostly abandoned any effort to tame them. I put a little fertilizer on them recently to perk them up for a potential fall crop. The plan is let the best of the bunch to ride into the fall. I did pick a 7 1/2 ounce Beefmaster this morning that was blushing and noticed a couple more little tomatoes on that plant forming. That one looks like a keeper for fall. Sungold is setting fruit again. Some of the peppers are tired and sick looking, while others look good. I’ve added fertilizer to them. I planted a few bush filet beans, Rolande and they are up.

Tomatoes are the most exhausting thing I grow. Everything wants to eat them and they need constant attention, pruning, tying up, defense, water, etc. They are great and I enjoy them a ton, but it’s a lot of work.
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Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:08 pm
by habitat-gardener
Seems like everyone in my neighborhood is making plans to deal with root-knot nematodes: solarizing now, buying mustard cover crops for the winter, etc. I've been pulling tomato plants before they produce anything as they wither. This has never happened before! I'd planned to use mustard cover crops last winter and never got around to it. Now I have to do it! I'm also planning to grow only nematode-resistant tomatoes next summer (well, maybe a few others that seem more or less unaffected...).

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:27 pm
by Moth1992
Sigh... And here I am wishing I had a garden I could work on.

My balcony tomatoes are just starting to give me fruit. So if anything im more excited than ever.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:10 pm
by LindaJean
Ahead of the pack, I had EARLY season burnout. When 140 tomato starts molded, my son tried to console me with two plants from the store , Jetstar and Sunsugar. Jetstar produced one tomato. A spindly almost leafless Sunsugar cranked out maybe two dozen cherries at best, before I pulled it thinking I put it out of it's misery - or mine. The darn thing is still growing a few happy little orange tomatoes while it stands in the compost pile. Eighty dollars of organic bagged potting mix, sad. Come on Jimmy Nardello pepper, make it worth it...

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:53 pm
by slugworth
Possible indoor transition of a super fantastic tomato plant if it has no bugs.
It did well in the heat/drought outdoors in an old plastic ice cooler with drainage holes.
Going to do my Paul Bunyan imitation to expand a garden spot for next year.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:40 pm
by Donnyboy
I've been planting a few Heatmaster tomato plants and some special jalapeno plants outside this week. I germinated them inside under air conditioning in late June while my outside garden was shriveling in the 110 degree heat. I experimented with planting a few outside earlier in September, but they shriveled and died in one day. This weeks plant outs are growing well and if we don't have an early first frost, I may actually harvest some fruit. It has been a challenging year with little reward for my efforts. The frustration is my fault because I chose to be a gardener many years ago. I could have been a fisherman or a golfer or simply a day dreamer. I made my choice and must live with it. :D

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:15 pm
by karstopography
I’ve got two tomato plants, Beefmaster and Big Beef, remaining out in the garden. Both were planted out in February. I pulled out last of the rest of the tomato plants about a week ago. Got tired of looked at the hideous monstrosities once formerly handsome tomato plants. When I got in there and wrestled them out of the beds, I found all kinds of little cherry tomatoes. Maybe I should have waited a bit longer. But, ugly, twisted, battered, overgrown tomato plants seem a bit unappetizing.

Looks like Beefmaster has recently set some new fruit. Plus, There’s one medium sized and still putting on weight tomato on that plant. Big beef is flowering. Maybe I’ll have a few fall tomatoes afterall.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:01 am
by slugworth
Mine look like the wicked witches' feet after the ruby slippers were removed.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:54 am
by Tormahto
slugworth wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:01 am Mine look like the wicked witches' feet after the ruby slippers were removed.
My plants are getting close to the "I'm melting!" phase. :roll:

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:46 am
by slugworth
That is why that wicked witch never got married.
Never bathed.
Fooey.
No wonder she was green.
One of those green when ripe varieties.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:42 pm
by Yak54
I picked 5 Indian Stripe tomatoes today along with one SOTW and 2 Dester and one Cowlicks. I have to go out later to pick some AGP and Sun Orange. I am burned out from mixing 55 gal. of nutrient mix every 2 days. Hopefully I'll only have to make 2 or 3 more batches before I can call it quits and take the plants down by Oct. 1st. I have vowed to only grow 5 tomato varieties and 4 pepper varieties next season which should cut my work load way down to something a normal sane person can handle. I struggled to keep up this year with 8 pepper plants and 11 tomato plants all in grow bags which sometimes required hand watering (feeding) twice a day. I only have a few more years of this in me as I'm not getting any younger (or smarter).

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:51 pm
by Donnyboy
In past years, on various long gone forums; I knew gardeners who for various reasons; grew tomatoes in different climatic regions to avoid total failure some years. I've experienced failure in some areas of my property while experiencing success in other areas. It's a rare year when I can define the exact reasons for success or failure. That is why this year is so frustrating. It's hard to explain total failure everywhere on many types of plants. Next year, as a new octogenarian; I can blame my age for failure. As an old man, I have simply forgot how to grow tomatoes

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:04 pm
by Danny
Next week or so, have some garlic and onions to put out, now that it under a hundred during the day times for the most part. This years heat has been more wearing on me than anything else, plus trying to can up quite a bit of beef. That price is going to just be awful later and I tell myself that, but running a pressure canner was tiring in the heat. More than ugly plants and the work, is just the toll heat takes on us.

Re: Late Season Burnout

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:43 pm
by Donnyboy
While my garden has been almost a total failure this year, the word " almost" is justified by my okra crop. Without my okra, the word "total" would be more appropriate. Having an abundant okra crop has forced me to participate in a new hobby. I congratulate my wife and myself for providing multiple quart jars of pickled okra and pickled eggs. Both are delicious. I want to tell people pickling or long term preserving food is my reaction to an unpredictable future of food shortages and high prices. If I believed that, I wouldn't be truthful with myself. I still believe I am capable of providing for myself and my family and probably our friends without regard to circumstances. The truth is I simply enjoy trying things new to me.

Since my garden is a total (almost) failure this year, I'm buying lots of fresh vegetables at the grocery store for pickling and preserving. In my area, Winco seems to have the best selection of "fresh" vegetables. Within 1/2 mile of the Winco store, we have a super Walmart, Albertsons, Kroger, Aldi's, and a few others. Winco has the best availability, quality, selection. and price on fresh vegetables. Winco also has the best selection of in bulk, dried products.

Shopping at Winco compared to Walmart is like taking a stroll barefoot on a cool beach listening to the waves rolling in instead of walking barefoot in the sand in Death Valley in the heat of the day. Either way, you are walking barefoot in the sand, but one is absolutely better than the other.