Found it (I think). I have an interest in high lycopene varieties and had been looking for High Crimson for a long time. I thought I found it a few years ago when I grew out a SSE accession, but it turned out to be an ordinary indeterminate cherry with an ordinary interior. Well, this year I found a new seed company with both a US and South African location offering a variety, "Hi Crimson," which they described as intensely red with a very red interior. I grew it out and it sure enough it does have ruby red seed gel and it's also a semi-determinate slicer type which is more like the crimson varieties bred down from it (I've read the ogc gene and semi-determinate growth may actually be linked). To top it off, I loved the flavor. Assertive, but balanced, and fruiting over a long period, so it's a good multi-purpose tomato for home use without all the commercial improvements. Anyway, I thought I'd share.

That's awesome, Debbie, especially that you loved the flavor. It looks really meaty and juicy! So glad you got this great catch.

Bower wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:39 am That's awesome, Debbie, especially that you loved the flavor. It looks really meaty and juicy! So glad you got this great catch.

I was excited about it. I didn't have a great tomato year, but I also managed to grow out Harvestvee, Veeset, and Quinte Easy Peel, three varieties bred down from High Crimson and think I like the Hi Crimson best. They're all wonderful varieties though and fairly similar. All with good fresh flavor more versatile than today's commercial tomatoes. I'm surprised they're hardly ever grown anymore.

The fruit look very nice.

For the Crimson gene u can try to get seeds from this hybrith:
https://hosstools.com/product/mountain-vineyard-tomato/

Its a cross between NC5 grape x NC 4 grape and homozygous for the Crimson gene.
https://mountainhort.ces.ncsu.edu/fresh ... seedlines/

Doffer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:39 pm The fruit look very nice.

For the Crimson gene u can try to get seeds from this hybrith:
https://hosstools.com/product/mountain-vineyard-tomato/

Its a cross between NC5 grape x NC 4 grape and homozygous for the Crimson gene.
https://mountainhort.ces.ncsu.edu/fresh ... seedlines/

I love the fact that it's a grape type and compact, but I really want to stick to the open-pollinated types that don't have patents or restrictions on them.

Why do u think there are restrictions to make a OP version from Mountain Vineyard?

Doffer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:22 pm Why do u think there are restrictions to make a OP version from Mountain Vineyard?

Unless I'm reading something wrong, it requires a license/transfer agreement to do any kind of propagation or breeding which I'm interpreting as de-hybridization and seed saving.

https://mountainhort.ces.ncsu.edu/wp-co ... pdf?fwd=no

This is only if u want to breed with the parentlines.