MissS wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:45 pm @Toomanymatoes That's a great list and it's so nice of you to share this with everyone. If you post it in it's own thread in the Tomato Talk forum, I will make it a sticky so that people can easily find it.

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:17 pm

MissS wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:45 pm @Toomanymatoes That's a great list and it's so nice of you to share this with everyone. If you post it in it's own thread in the Tomato Talk forum, I will make it a sticky so that people can easily find it.

Let me work on it a bit more and I would certainly be happy to do that. My only concern though is that the file is located on my Google drive. So, not sure what happens if that goes defunct. Shouldn't be a big problem, but it's always a consideration.

MissS wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:20 pm

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:17 pm

MissS wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:45 pm @Toomanymatoes That's a great list and it's so nice of you to share this with everyone. If you post it in it's own thread in the Tomato Talk forum, I will make it a sticky so that people can easily find it.

Let me work on it a bit more and I would certainly be happy to do that. My only concern though is that the file is located on my Google drive. So, not sure what happens if that goes defunct. Shouldn't be a big problem, but it's always a consideration.

I would most definitely suggest that you protect it so that others can't modify it. I wouldn't want someone's temper or mean sense of humor to play havoc with all of your hard work.

Tormato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:47 pm 100 Pudov grew as a large, somewhat pleated, piriform for me, and that is my saved seed that you have. I've seen descriptions of piriform and oxheart. Oxheart can mean piriform, and can mean basically the opposite shape (wide shoulders narrowing to the blossom end). I haven't seen a picture, yet, of 100 Pudov.

I'd like to hear input on Barlow Jap. I don't know if the person who named it is still around. But, the name is insulting to some people. Barlow Japanese would be a much better name. But, the one who named it should make the decision on a name change, if possible.

When I have time, I'll look through the entire list.

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:34 pm Ok, finally went through everything. Here are a few more I could not find some, or no, info on:


Lindy's Little Krim (Black Krim variant?)

Gabby1 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:51 am Hello! Not New just hit and miss because of family commitments. From SW Illinois! Yes sadly, I am old school with the sharpie.All varieties are Grown by me here. Most are Southern Heirlooms. Yes, Jesse Saylor is a beautiful pink tomato,RL,quite productive and delicious. I received seeds last year from the MMMM. Will grow again!
Very sorry so late to answer.

WoodSprite wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:46 pm

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:34 pm Ok, finally went through everything. Here are a few more I could not find some, or no, info on:


Lindy's Little Krim (Black Krim variant?)

I sent in seeds for Lindy's Little Krim. (Others may have also.) I got the seeds directly from Lindy from Canada. (LindyAdele is her screen name.) She found a sport on her Black Krim plant that produced uniform golfball-sized fruits and collected seeds. She has been growing it since then and says it's always the same so it was a sport, not a hybrid when she collected the seeds. She had an offer for seeds here and at TV for seeds. You should be able to find her posts by searching the name or even just "Little Krim".

Here are Lindy's Little Krim tomatoes and other varieties from my garden on a serving platter. Most were smaller than golfball-size for me but I grew them in our new field that has poor soil.

IMG_6204-labeled.jpg

WoodSprite wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:09 pm Korichnevvy Rebristyy is regular leaved.

IMG_6056-Bed 9 - Korichnevyy Rebristyy Tomato.JPG

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:27 pm

Tormato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:47 pm 100 Pudov grew as a large, somewhat pleated, piriform for me, and that is my saved seed that you have. I've seen descriptions of piriform and oxheart. Oxheart can mean piriform, and can mean basically the opposite shape (wide shoulders narrowing to the blossom end). I haven't seen a picture, yet, of 100 Pudov.

I'd like to hear input on Barlow Jap. I don't know if the person who named it is still around. But, the name is insulting to some people. Barlow Japanese would be a much better name. But, the one who named it should make the decision on a name change, if possible.

When I have time, I'll look through the entire list.

I have not been that concise with the descriptions to be honest. This was only for my own use originally. You are correct though, I label most heartish shaped tomatoes as oxhearts and they may not actually be traditional oxheart shaped. I started labeling them as blunt and pear-shaped oxhearts, but I have not done that for all of the listings. Some of that information was older and from the 2021 swap, so I may not have updated some information as I transitioned to "better" descriptions.

Here are some pics of 100 Pudov I stole from the internet. Clearly, they are all different shapes, but I am pretty sure you are correct in that it is supposed to be piriform.

[100_Pudov-01-MMMM_2022.jpg100_Pudov-02-MMMM_2022.jpg100_Pudov-03-MMMM_2022.jpg

Tormato wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:05 pm

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:27 pm

Tormato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:47 pm 100 Pudov grew as a large, somewhat pleated, piriform for me, and that is my saved seed that you have. I've seen descriptions of piriform and oxheart. Oxheart can mean piriform, and can mean basically the opposite shape (wide shoulders narrowing to the blossom end). I haven't seen a picture, yet, of 100 Pudov.

I'd like to hear input on Barlow Jap. I don't know if the person who named it is still around. But, the name is insulting to some people. Barlow Japanese would be a much better name. But, the one who named it should make the decision on a name change, if possible.

When I have time, I'll look through the entire list.

I have not been that concise with the descriptions to be honest. This was only for my own use originally. You are correct though, I label most heartish shaped tomatoes as oxhearts and they may not actually be traditional oxheart shaped. I started labeling them as blunt and pear-shaped oxhearts, but I have not done that for all of the listings. Some of that information was older and from the 2021 swap, so I may not have updated some information as I transitioned to "better" descriptions.

Here are some pics of 100 Pudov I stole from the internet. Clearly, they are all different shapes, but I am pretty sure you are correct in that it is supposed to be piriform.

[100_Pudov-01-MMMM_2022.jpg100_Pudov-02-MMMM_2022.jpg100_Pudov-03-MMMM_2022.jpg

The 100 Pudov that I grew had basically all of those shapes. Many were like the second tomato from the right, in the top pic, being fat, slightly pleated and piriform.

I know your data is mostly for your own use, and your gardening results. But, is it possible to have a range for the DTMs.

As an example, on many of the varieties that you sent in to the MMMM, you have say 80 days listed, which is what you observe.

Here, that variety may be in the 72-75 day range for a typical year. And, I only gauge DTM when a plant sets and produces a fruit on the first blooming flower. If that one drops, DTM will likely be set back 5 days minimum. Perhaps you could get input from others on DTM, as researching varieties may take too much time and not be accurate. Even taking your single figure and having another number, about 6 days less, might work, say 75-80 days. The 2nd number would always be what you observe.

I ask, because many people requested early to mid season varieties and 80 days may mean late to them. Little do they know that an unfamiliar variety may be earlier than they think.

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:56 pm ....Basically, early would be 65 days, mid-early 70, mid 80 (but more like 75 to 85) and late would be 90+. I know there are gaps there, but as you mentioned it is variable so, for me, it is just implied that it also could be +/- 5 days or so.....

rxkeith wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:03 pm on the garlic bulbils that i received.

any info on what variety. there looks to be two, maybe 3 kinds.
there are a few large bulbils, and some smaller tear drop shaped
just curious.

nuther question

the multiplier shallot seeds, bower sent in.
best time to plant is when?
i expect they bulb up the second year from seed.
what can i look forward to as to size, and flavor.

i guess that was more than one question.

keith

habitat-gardener wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:49 pm

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:56 pm ....Basically, early would be 65 days, mid-early 70, mid 80 (but more like 75 to 85) and late would be 90+. I know there are gaps there, but as you mentioned it is variable so, for me, it is just implied that it also could be +/- 5 days or so.....

I use the following
early <70 days
mid 70-80 days
late >80 days
In my climate, the later and larger the variety, the less likely I am to get anything from it.

but this is what Sandhill Preservation uses
Very Early - 55 days or less
Early - 55-70 days
Mid-season - 70-85 days
Late - usually over 85 days

Tormato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:42 pm My own scale is...

extra early - 55 or less
early - 56 to 69
mid - 70 to 79
late - 80+

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:30 am

habitat-gardener wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:49 pm

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:56 pm ....Basically, early would be 65 days, mid-early 70, mid 80 (but more like 75 to 85) and late would be 90+. I know there are gaps there, but as you mentioned it is variable so, for me, it is just implied that it also could be +/- 5 days or so.....

I use the following
early <70 days
mid 70-80 days
late >80 days
In my climate, the later and larger the variety, the less likely I am to get anything from it.

but this is what Sandhill Preservation uses
Very Early - 55 days or less
Early - 55-70 days
Mid-season - 70-85 days
Late - usually over 85 days

Tormato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:42 pm My own scale is...

extra early - 55 or less
early - 56 to 69
mid - 70 to 79
late - 80+

Well, I am not quite sure what I should do here. I think I was more or less following what Sandhill indicates. Is there somewhere that is preferred to be used as a standard reference? Tatiana's? I could not find anywhere on Tatiana's site how she defines maturity. Maybe Craig LeHoullier's book? I need to look through it and see.

I think much of the information I collect comes from Tatiana's, Cultive ta Rue and Tomatofifou since they have very comprehensive lists and also contain all the information I want. All three of them just list maturity as early/mid/late more or less. I can just list it as per the source and indicate which source it is from.

I was hoping to start going through the list tonight.