2022/2023 germinations and off-types

[OhioGardener]

Once I know all of the leaf types on all seedlings, and a close guesstimate as to how many plants that I can crowd in, I have no problem quickly offing all plants beyond a doubling of the number I have room for.

What's your problem?

It sounds like murder

... she wrote.

Tomatocide...in cold bud.

[Seven Bends]

Here are my germination results for this year for seeds from the 2022 and 2021 MMMM swaps. M21 means the 2021 swap; M22 means the 2022 swap. The year is the year listed on the seed pack.

Tomatoes:
Garnet 2021 M21: 3/3
Pink Princess 2022 M22: 3/3
Summer Cider 2020 M22: 1/1
Rebel Yell 2021 M21: 2/2
Oaxacan Jewel 2020 M21: 2/2
Lucky Cross (PL) 2022 M22: 2/2
Blue Ridge Mountain 2015 M21: 2/3
Bulgarian Old Sort/No Name 2018 M22: 2/3
Bolgarskoe Chudo (Bulgarian Miracle) 2020 M22: 3/3 (edited for spelling)
Gallego 2018 M22: 2/5

Peppers:
Ancho Poblano San Luis 2022 M22: 2/3
Gatherer's Gold 2021 M22: 3/3
Cervena Chushka 2022 M22: 2/3
Dulce de Mediterrano 2020 M21: 0/3 (started on 4/12); 1/4 (started on 4/27)

Zinnias:
CA Giant Magenta 2022 M22: 6/6
Will Rogers 2022 M22: 5/6
Dahlia Mix 2021 M22: 5/6
Scarlet Flame 2020 M21: 2/5
Benary's (label says Benray's) no year M21: 5/14

Thank you, everyone, for sending in your seeds; and of course, thank you @Tormato for making this possible. I'm looking forward to seeing what these all become!

[Tormato]

Here are my germination results for this year for seeds from the 2022 and 2021 MMMM swaps. M21 means the 2021 swap; M22 means the 2022 swap. The year is the year listed on the seed pack.

Tomatoes:
Garnet 2021 M21: 3/3
Pink Princess 2022 M22: 3/3
Summer Cider 2020 M22: 1/1
Rebel Yell 2021 M21: 2/2
Oaxacan Jewel 2020 M21: 2/2
Lucky Cross (PL) 2022 M22: 2/2
Blue Ridge Mountain 2015 M21: 2/3
Bulgarian Old Sort/No Name 2018 M22: 2/3
Bogarskoe Chudo (Bulgarian Miracle) 2020 M22: 3/3
Gallego 2018 M22: 2/5

Peppers:
Ancho Poblano San Luis 2022 M22: 2/3
Gatherer's Gold 2021 M22: 3/3
Cervena Chushka 2022 M22: 2/3
Dulce de Mediterrano 2020 M21: 0/3 (started on 4/12); 1/4 (started on 4/27)

Zinnias:
CA Giant Magenta 2022 M22: 6/6
Will Rogers 2022 M22: 5/6
Dahlia Mix 2021 M22: 5/6
Scarlet Flame 2020 M21: 2/5
Benary's (label says Benray's) no year M21: 5/14

Thank you, everyone, for sending in your seeds; and of course, thank you @Tormato for making this possible. I'm looking forward to seeing what these all become!

I'm curious as to the zinnia starts. Indoor sown to be later transplanted? Because, I've heard that transplants often don't do as well as direct sowing.

[MissS]

@Tormato I usually will start my Zinnias in cell packs. I have very good luck if I treat them the same as the tomatoes and up-pot them. If I leave them in the cell packs then the plants seem to languish. So if you give them room to stretch their feet they come out just as fine as those that are started in the ground.

[MissTee]

And, with Iva's Red Berry and Gardener's Sweetheart, at one point during the swap I had plenty of seeds from multiple sources. Do you still have the original labels?

The Iva's and Gardener's are from MissTee and Toomanytomatoes respectively. I still have a few seeds left of each I may try even though it's getting pretty late for me. Might as well give them a shot.

I was curious so did a paper towel test of the Iva’s Red Berry I sent in and they came through 10/10. (I do know I had slow germination in 2022 and re-seeded them, and then had lots). Feel free to cull them if you have other packs in stock now, but from what I can see, they are still viable.

[GoDawgs]

Anyway, if you received blue salvia seed from me in this MMMM and planned to try it, plant a lot of seeds and don't expect much. The labels will say "Victoria Blue or Blue Victory" on the packs. I'd appreciate hearing any results.

I got some of those and followed Miss S's advice about starting them. I sprinkled them in a 4-pack and didn't count how many seeds I put in each cell but I used up all the seed. Unfortunately I also didn't count how many came up. But after cutting out extras I do have a nice little seedling in each cell so I'm happy with that. Thanks for sending them in!

[Seven Bends]

Here are my germination results for this year for seeds from the 2022 and 2021 MMMM swaps. M21 means the 2021 swap; M22 means the 2022 swap. The year is the year listed on the seed pack.
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Zinnias:
CA Giant Magenta 2022 M22: 6/6
Will Rogers 2022 M22: 5/6
Dahlia Mix 2021 M22: 5/6
Scarlet Flame 2020 M21: 2/5
Benary's (label says Benray's) no year M21: 5/14

Thank you, everyone, for sending in your seeds; and of course, thank you @Tormato for making this possible. I'm looking forward to seeing what these all become!

I'm curious as to the zinnia starts. Indoor sown to be later transplanted? Because, I've heard that transplants often don't do as well as direct sowing.

Because I only had a small number of seeds for each of the MMMM varieties, I wanted to germinate them indoors to maximize my chances of getting some plants of each. I also wanted to know which variety was which, and I thought this would be easier if I started them indoors in cell packs and then transplanted them. I've always direct-seeded zinnias before, and I didn't realize they don't care for being transplanted.

I just checked my commercial packs of zinnia seeds. The packs from Harris, Botanical Interests and American Seed all include instructions for sowing indoors and transplanting, so I guess it's not that unusual. The Burpee packs only talk about direct sowing in the garden.

I'm glad to see @MissS has had good luck transplanting them. I'll see how it goes this year, and if it doesn't work well, I'll know for next year. Maybe I'll also direct-seed some to see if there's a difference in results.

[Seven Bends]

Anyway, if you received blue salvia seed from me in this MMMM and planned to try it, plant a lot of seeds and don't expect much. The labels will say "Victoria Blue or Blue Victory" on the packs. I'd appreciate hearing any results.

I got some of those and followed Miss S's advice about starting them. I sprinkled them in a 4-pack and didn't count how many seeds I put in each cell but I used up all the seed. Unfortunately I also didn't count how many came up. But after cutting out extras I do have a nice little seedling in each cell so I'm happy with that. Thanks for sending them in!

Thanks, I'm glad you had some germination success, and I hope you like the flowers!

[karstopography]

I direct sowed zinnia seeds and also sowed them in repurposed plastic six pack cells outdoors that then got transplanted into the garden spots later. Either way works it seems. Most are blooming out there now, some of the direct sown were done later so they are catching up.

I might put a half dozen marigold seeds in the repurposed six pack cells, but maybe one or two zinnia seeds in their own cell. Or those might go into a 4” or pint container, whatever is available. The marigolds seedlings are almost bulletproof and can be teased out from each other with hardly any roots remaining and still make it and thrive after transplanting, so long as they get some moisture. I’m more careful with the zinnia seedlings and try not to disturb the roots so much. .

[DriftlessRoots]

The Bonsai tomato I'm growing with seed from the MMMM has reached three feet and is still going. What's the definition of micro dwarf, again?

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[rxkeith]

yeah, my bonsai is literally climbing the wall in the house.

germination issues.
qian bian or however its spelled failed the one seed challenge. i tried starting it inside, and
nothing ever happened. insuks wang kung runner bean, 3 seeds started inside did not germinate.
green dragon gave me one weak plant out of 4 seeds planted. i still need to plant in the garden.
white general one plant out of 4 seeds made it to the garden, hopefully still alive.
garafal oro, and super marconi gave me two plants, and i planted a few more seeds in ground. i
think some of those are growing. sultans crescent, started 4 seeds, nothing happened. planted a few more
directly in ground, and some have come up.
some plantings of beans were nailed by caterpillars leaving some
leaves with delicate lace work. those are mostly alive but way behind as they are putting out new growth.
it has been a tough year to get beans, and a few other things going.
no big issues with tomatoes or peppers from the swap. mr brown gave me RL and PL plants. it is supposed to
be RL, so am growing both out.

tetsukabuto hybrid squash germinated two out of three seeds. that will be pollinated by either gills sugar hubbard,
sweet fall, or a hybrid f3 of sugar hubbard, and little gem. all three are very good to excellent tasting squash, so i will
be saving seeds if i can for everybody to play with.


keith

[AKgardener]

I started aztek tomatoes and they look nothing like what grew before and the maters are much smaller more oval shaped.. got me scratching my head

[DriftlessRoots]

My Black Hungarian peppers are showing two distinct phenotypes. Some are the expected, pendant, dark purple/black pods, the others are lighter, blunter, and upright! I'm actually liking the off-type ones and may try to stabilize it. First thought for a name is Perky Purple

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[Tormato]

My Black Hungarian peppers are showing two distinct phenotypes. Some are the expected, pendant, dark purple/black pods, the others are lighter, blunter, and upright! I'm actually liking the off-type ones and may try to stabilize it. First thought for a name is Perky Purple

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Peppers likely would have the most off-types in the swap, as they easily cross, and few people send in bagged/isolated seeds.

It's up to you, if you were to send in seeds to the "experimental" part of the swap, where others could help you with the stabilization efforts.

[rxkeith]

i had sent in black hungarian seeds a couple years ago.
i also had woken up grandpa home that same year.
both were grown in pots placed in the back of my truck.
grandpas home has the upright peppers pointing upward.
it is possible they may have crossed since i did not bag blossoms.
the other pepper from old seeds that i grew that year was indian jwahl.



keith

[DriftlessRoots]

i had sent in black hungarian seeds a couple years ago.
i also had woken up grandpa home that same year.
both were grown in pots placed in the back of my truck.
grandpas home has the upright peppers pointing upward.
it is possible they may have crossed since i did not bag blossoms.
the other pepper from old seeds that i grew that year was indian jwahl.



keith

Thanks for the info. Yours were the seed packets with the bright orange labels inside? If I try to keep maybe it I'll name it Purple Grandpa.

[Tormato]

i had sent in black hungarian seeds a couple years ago.
i also had woken up grandpa home that same year.
both were grown in pots placed in the back of my truck.
grandpas home has the upright peppers pointing upward.
it is possible they may have crossed since i did not bag blossoms.
the other pepper from old seeds that i grew that year was indian jwahl.



keith

Thanks for the info. Yours were the seed packets with the bright orange labels inside? If I try to keep maybe it I'll name it Purple Grandpa.

Bright orange labels means repacking of bulk seed packs, from others, into smaller packs, by me. I basically can't grow a pepper to save my life. Hopefully that changes next year, with a heat pad, and grow lights.

[AKgardener]

@Tormato i grow all my peppers inside under grow lights they seen to trove better inside then out thus far since I’ve tried every year got nothing maybe 1 pepper so I tried it this winter and grew pablobno, jalapeño,bells and banana thry all did great
I have a lot of chyenne peppers right now and baby bells

[rxkeith]

not sure where to put this, so here is where i am putting it.

the carrot seeds i sent out, i have a patch in the garden that is fighting it out with volunteer lettuce, parsley, greens, the occasional missed
potato from last year, and whatever else is coming up. i pulled several to sample as they were big enough to snack on. there are shorter ones,
nantes type i think, and longer ones. they look and taste like carrots. i like the flavor of the shorter ones better than the long type.
shorter ones are sweeter, and less distinct of a core than the longer type. both are fit to eat which is what i was hoping for. this is just a preliminary
sample. there are many more carrots out there. so far, so good.


keith

[GoDawgs]

I have a Stump of The World that's definitely NOT. It's producing small cherry sized fruit in trusses! And I am ashamed to say that I believe it's from my own collected seed, the seed that I sent out for the most recent MMMM!

There are two possibilities. The first is that somehow I mislabeled the small glasses I use for fermenting the saved seed. I really doubt that as I actually write the tomato name on the tomato with a marker and only process one variety at a time from beginning to end.

The second possibility is that the seed I sent out is fine and the problem is because I absentmindedly grabbed the wrong seed pack and planted the wrong seed here this spring.

Regardless, if anyone has this same variety malfunction from SOTW seed they received from me I wholeheartedly apologize. If they're from me you'll see GoDawgs written on the back of the inserted label.

If you got some PLEASE let me know if they're not SOTW. Don't be shy! Speak up! I need to solve this mystery before I toss out 119 seeds. I just might do that anyway. I have some SOTW I bought three years ago and some I received in this latest MMMM so I'll have some to grow next year.