Looks like it's the blue salvia blues.

I better start making a list of different seeds to do germination tests on.

Seven Bends wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:16 am Has anyone tried to germinate blue salvia from this winter's MMMM?....The labels will say "Victoria Blue or Blue Victory" on the packs. I'd appreciate hearing any results.

I received these. I planted 8 seeds on April 1 and 4 have germinated. Thanks for sharing them.

WoodSprite wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:15 pm

Seven Bends wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:16 am Has anyone tried to germinate blue salvia from this winter's MMMM?....The labels will say "Victoria Blue or Blue Victory" on the packs. I'd appreciate hearing any results.

I received these. I planted 8 seeds on April 1 and 4 have germinated. Thanks for sharing them.

Good news, thanks!

For this past swap I sent in zinnia seeds and had separated them into disk (smaller and narrow from the center disk) and ray seeds (arrow head shaped from ends of flower petals). They were packed separately and labeled them as such. Both are supposed to be viable seeds according to everything I read but I would really like to know how they both germinated. So I'm asking anyone who got those for their results and post it here or, if this isn't the place to do that, just PM me. If the seeds are mine you'll find "GoDawgs" written on the back of the inserted label. Thanks!

Excellent germination on approx 60 varieties of tomato/peppers from the 22 & 23 Swap. Here are the ones that didn't fare so well:

Kapidag Red '18 - 0/4 (also failed to germinate last year. Gave it a bit more care this year, but it didn't work.)
Tommy Toe '16 - 0/4, 0/3
Espellete Pepper '20 - 0/2, 0/2
Oda Pepper '21 - 0/2, 0/4

Green Gables '21 - 2/2 - 1 RL and 1 PL. Will grow both out and see what happens.

T

Here's my summary of tomato and pepper germination attempts from what I received in the MMMM swap this year.

Standard Tomatoes:
African Queen* 0/6
Blondkpfchen 1/3
Blue Beech 1/6
Brandywine Cowlicks 1/4
Daniel Burson 2/7
Iva's Red Berry 1/9 UPDATED FROM ZERO, HAD ONE VERY LATE GERMINATION
Joya de Oaxaca 3/3
KBX 3/3
Lithium Sunset 1/3
Ludmilla's Pink Heart 4/4
Mikado Rozovyi 3/3
Moruno de San Pablo 2/3
Muddy Waters 2/3
Pantano Romanesco 2/3
Pomodoro C. A. de A. T. 4/5
Purple Dog Creek 3/3
Rebel Starfighter Prime 4/12
Stump of the World 4/4
Thornburn's Terra Cotta 3/3
Ukrainian Purple 1/5
Wes 2/3
Gardener's Sweetheart 1/? UPDATED FROM ZERO

Dwarf Tomatoes:
Adelaide Festival 2/3
Dwarf Lemon Ice 2/3
Dwarf Pink Passion 1/3
Dwarf Scarlet Heart 1/3
Frau Hager Klein 1/3
Fred's Tie Dye 2/4
Sleeping Lady 2/3
Uluru Ochre 2/3

Micro-Dwarf Tomatoes:
Bonsai 1/3
Florida Petite 2/3
Groovy Tunes 2/2
Hardin's Miniature 1/3
Joshalos 0/3
Orange Hat 1/3

Peppers:
Aji Colorado 6/6
Ancho Poblano 0/6
Biquhinho Red 9/10
Black Hungarian 14/16
Chile de Arbol 5/6
Chinese Five Color 10/11
Fish 4/10
Hinkelhatz 4/8
Jamaican Bell 6/6
Kambuzi 2/4
Big Jim 5/5
Peachadew 6/6
Serrano 6/6

*Really bummed about the African Queen because it's one that's been on my list for years (only because of the photo in Amy Goldman's book) and @Tormato requested more seed for the swap. I hope the ones I sent in germinated well. I'll be watching this thread for reports of any duds from me and duly dispose of any seeds I have left. Happy gardening!

DriftlessRoots wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:09 am Here's my summary of tomato and pepper germination attempts from what I received in the MMMM swap this year.

Standard Tomatoes:
African Queen* 0/6
Blondkpfchen 1/3
Blue Beech 1/6
Brandywine Cowlicks 1/4
Daniel Burson 2/7
Iva's Red Berry 0/9
Joya de Oaxaca 3/3
KBX 3/3
Lithium Sunset 1/3
Ludmilla's Pink Heart 4/4
Mikado Rozovyi 3/3
Moruno de San Pablo 2/3
Muddy Waters 2/3
Pantano Romanesco 2/3
Pomodoro C. A. de A. T. 4/5
Purple Dog Creek 3/3
Rebel Starfighter Prime 4/12
Stump of the World 4/4
Thornburn's Terra Cotta 3/3
Ukrainian Purple 1/5
Wes 2/3
Gardener's Sweetheart 0/?

Dwarf Tomatoes:
Adelaide Festival 2/3
Dwarf Lemon Ice 2/3
Dwarf Pink Passion 1/3
Dwarf Scarlet Heart 1/3
Frau Hager Klein 1/3
Fred's Tie Dye 2/4
Sleeping Lady 2/3
Uluru Ochre 2/3

Micro-Dwarf Tomatoes:
Bonsai 1/3
Florida Petite 2/3
Groovy Tunes 2/2
Hardin's Miniature 1/3
Joshalos 0/3
Orange Hat 1/3

Peppers:
Aji Colorado 6/6
Ancho Poblano 0/6
Biquhinho Red 9/10
Black Hungarian 14/16
Chile de Arbol 5/6
Chinese Five Color 10/11
Fish 4/10
Hinkelhatz 4/8
Jamaican Bell 6/6
Kambuzi 2/4
Big Jim 5/5
Peachadew 6/6
Serrano 6/6

*Really bummed about the African Queen because it's one that's been on my list for years (only because of the photo in Amy Goldman's book) and @Tormato requested more seed for the swap. I hope the ones I sent in germinated well. I'll be watching this thread for reports of any duds from me and duly dispose of any seeds I have left. Happy gardening!

I'll have to see if I sent you all of the African Queen seed, as sometimes I save 1 to 4 seeds of a variety that I'm nearly out of. Having one pack of under 5 seeds is my way of knowing that's the last of my seeds for a variety. I'll finally be sowing seeds in a day or two, I think, and will start African Queen if I find any seeds.

Also, a huge package of more than 1,000 packs of seeds came in after the swap was nearly done. I'll have to check for AQ, there.

I had no time to correct the spelling on Jochalos.

And, with Iva's Red Berry and Gardener's Sweetheart, at one point during the swap I had plenty of seeds from multiple sources. Do you still have the original labels?

Tormato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:53 am And, with Iva's Red Berry and Gardener's Sweetheart, at one point during the swap I had plenty of seeds from multiple sources. Do you still have the original labels?

The Iva's and Gardener's are from MissTee and Toomanytomatoes respectively. I still have a few seeds left of each I may try even though it's getting pretty late for me. Might as well give them a shot.

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:37 am Just for information purposes, these were my germination rates for seeds I received in the swap:

TOMATOES

MMMM 2021
Bacon Lettuce and This 87.5% (7 of 8 Seeds)
Prue 100% (6 of 6 seeds)

MMMM 2022
Alpha Pink 100% (5 of 5 seeds)
Brandywine, Glick's 30% (6 of 20 seeds)
Brandywine, Liam's 0% (0 of 9 seeds)
Brandywine, OTV 0% (0 of 6 seeds)
M's Sun Sugar 100% (5 of 5 seeds)
Oncle Remi 66.7% (4 of 6 seeds)
Romeo 78.6% (11 of 14 seeds)
Russian Mini Yellow 14.3% (6 of 42 seeds)

Most of the seeds with low germination were older.

PEPPERS
MMMM 2021
Himo Togarashi 100% (5 of 5 seeds)

MMMM 2022
Bangalore Torpedo 0% (0 of 9 seeds)

I'm glad M's Sun Sugar had excellent germination and hope you like them as much as we do.

OhioGardener wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:18 pm

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:37 am Just for information purposes, these were my germination rates for seeds I received in the swap:

TOMATOES

MMMM 2021
Bacon Lettuce and This 87.5% (7 of 8 Seeds)
Prue 100% (6 of 6 seeds)

MMMM 2022
Alpha Pink 100% (5 of 5 seeds)
Brandywine, Glick's 30% (6 of 20 seeds)
Brandywine, Liam's 0% (0 of 9 seeds)
Brandywine, OTV 0% (0 of 6 seeds)
M's Sun Sugar 100% (5 of 5 seeds)
Oncle Remi 66.7% (4 of 6 seeds)
Romeo 78.6% (11 of 14 seeds)
Russian Mini Yellow 14.3% (6 of 42 seeds)

Most of the seeds with low germination were older.

PEPPERS
MMMM 2021
Himo Togarashi 100% (5 of 5 seeds)

MMMM 2022
Bangalore Torpedo 0% (0 of 9 seeds)

I'm glad M's Sun Sugar had excellent germination and hope you like them as much as we do.

Some of those Brandywines are old seed. I think 35 days is the longest I've waited for successful germination.

mr brown, the tomato that is, from the 2021/22 swap is a regular leaf variety.
i have one plant that is looking like it is a potato leaf. it is still small, but the other
four plants look to be regular leaf. stray seed maybe or can potato leaf variants happen?
or, a possible cross?
stay tuned.


keith

rxkeith wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:36 pm mr brown, the tomato that is, from the 2021/22 swap is a regular leaf variety.
i have one plant that is looking like it is a potato leaf. it is still small, but the other
four plants look to be regular leaf. stray seed maybe or can potato leaf variants happen?
or, a possible cross?
stay tuned.


keith

Until now, I didn't even realize the Mr. Brown connection. But I was in a fog back then, for quite awhile.

There's never a stray seed directly from me. If I have to pack bulk seeds, the few that miss making it into a baggie get swept to the floor. And, this past winter, I couldn't bend over to pick up any that first dropped to the floor, either.

Luckily, no stepping, while wearing socks, on spinach seeds this past swap.

Tormato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:14 pm
Some of those Brandywines are old seed. I think 35 days is the longest I've waited for successful germination.

Yes, some are quite old (Liam's, OTV and Glick's Brandywines and Russian Mini Yellow). I only waited about 28 days. Some might still be in the tray though. I moved things around when I potted up.

Anyone ever see a potato leaf Fish Lake Oxheart?

OhioGardener wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:18 pm
I'm glad M's Sun Sugar had excellent germination and hope you like them as much as we do.

I am sure I will! I noticed those seeds on a site here in Canada. Does the M stand for Mandy?

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:23 am

OhioGardener wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:18 pm
I'm glad M's Sun Sugar had excellent germination and hope you like them as much as we do.

I am sure I will! I noticed those seeds on a site here in Canada. Does the M stand for Mandy?

Yes, it does. The original seeds were from Mandy's Greenhouse and it was her own de-hybridization. I've been growing them for 3 years now, typically planting 4 plants (2 seedlings per hole) and have only had 1 that was slightly off type which I understand is typical of Sungold/Sunsugar de-hybridization projects. Last year I trialed them against an actual Sungold hybrid from the Mmmm swap and the two were indistinguishable in color and flavor with the M's Sun Sugar being slightly larger in size and more productive.

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:22 am

Tormato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:14 pm
Some of those Brandywines are old seed. I think 35 days is the longest I've waited for successful germination.

Yes, some are quite old (Liam's, OTV and Glick's Brandywines and Russian Mini Yellow). I only waited about 28 days. Some might still be in the tray though. I moved things around when I potted up.

Anyone ever see a potato leaf Fish Lake Oxheart?

Not I. But if someone has, I'm already requesting seeds.

And, I've basically given up the search for the red version of FLO. I've never seen evidence that it actually existed.

Tormato wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:06 am

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:22 am

Tormato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:14 pm
Some of those Brandywines are old seed. I think 35 days is the longest I've waited for successful germination.

Yes, some are quite old (Liam's, OTV and Glick's Brandywines and Russian Mini Yellow). I only waited about 28 days. Some might still be in the tray though. I moved things around when I potted up.

Anyone ever see a potato leaf Fish Lake Oxheart?

Not I. But if someone has, I'm already requesting seeds.

And, I've basically given up the search for the red version of FLO. I've never seen evidence that it actually existed.

Well, one of the seedlings in the cell that is supposed to be Fish Lake Oxheart has potato leaves. It is also wispy looking. Will have to grow it out and see what happens! These were the plants left over after potting up. I always have a hard time letting go!

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 7:50 am

Tormato wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:06 am

Toomanymatoes wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:22 am

Tormato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:14 pm
Some of those Brandywines are old seed. I think 35 days is the longest I've waited for successful germination.

Yes, some are quite old (Liam's, OTV and Glick's Brandywines and Russian Mini Yellow). I only waited about 28 days. Some might still be in the tray though. I moved things around when I potted up.

Anyone ever see a potato leaf Fish Lake Oxheart?

Not I. But if someone has, I'm already requesting seeds.

And, I've basically given up the search for the red version of FLO. I've never seen evidence that it actually existed.

Well, one of the seedlings in the cell that is supposed to be Fish Lake Oxheart has potato leaves. It is also wispy looking. Will have to grow it out and see what happens! These were the plants left over after potting up. I always have a hard time letting go!

FLO_PL-01.jpg

Once I know all of the leaf types on all seedlings, and a close guesstimate as to how many plants that I can crowd in, I have no problem quickly offing all plants beyond a doubling of the number I have room for.

What's your problem?

Tormato wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 10:06 am
Once I know all of the leaf types on all seedlings, and a close guesstimate as to how many plants that I can crowd in, I have no problem quickly offing all plants beyond a doubling of the number I have room for.

What's your problem?

It sounds like murder

OhioGardener wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 11:05 am

Tormato wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 10:06 am
Once I know all of the leaf types on all seedlings, and a close guesstimate as to how many plants that I can crowd in, I have no problem quickly offing all plants beyond a doubling of the number I have room for.

What's your problem?

It sounds like murder

... she wrote.