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garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:16 pm
by habitat-gardener
I just finished shelling some California #5 black-eyed peas, a definite winner. So far I have a pint jar of beans, from an area maybe 3x5, and more are coming. These plants took no care, I planted the seeds directly, and at one point there was a gopher hole in the middle of the bed that didn’t seem to affect them. I originally got them because they were not susceptible to nematodes. As a bonus, I can walk down the adjacent paths in the garden -- unlike the paths surrounded by tomato jungle!

As for pole beans, I planted all the pole beans near each other, and I can’t tell which is which. In the past month I’ve picked tons of purple beans (either Blue Coco or an unnamed purple I got from a friend as a single dry pod) and long beans (both Thai Soldier and Red Noodle). The romanos produced almost nothing. I found a great way to cook a bunch of beans at once, roasted with a tahini-based sauce.

Winter squash is another winner. Most years I don’t get around to planting any or don’t have room, but this year I figured out that I could let 3 kinds of winter squash vines run in the asparagus bed, the blackberry patch, and the perennial kale bed. It has worked out wonderfully. The biggest producer is Polaris F1 (iirc recommended by someone here). From a $2 packet of seeds I’ve so far picked 9 large butternuts, with at least a couple more on the vine (all from 2-3 seeds).

Tatume vining summer squash and Armenian cucumbers are also very productive. I planted the Tatume inside a 2-ft. diameter cylindrical cage, and I’ve kept it mostly contained. I really like the oval squashes, but it’s producing more than we can eat. Ditto for the Armenian cukes -- giving away a lot of those. It has taken over the whole cucumber trellis, and I don’t know if it’s overshadowing the other varieties of cucumbers or if it’s just not a good year for them, but I’ve gotten almost nothing from these other vines. I slice the cucumbers and put the container in the fridge, and we eat them like chips, with hummus. No bitterness!

Peppers! The bed where I planted 8-12 inches apart has been very successful, and the plants there seem to be doing better than the ones with more generous spacing. It seems like I’ve picked a hundred peppers from that bed in the past couple weeks or so (8 varieties, 17 plants), with many more coming. I added shade to all my peppers this year, which has helped prevent sunburn. I haven’t done taste tests yet, just eating/cooking random peppers. For next year (iirc I write this down every year), I need to plant each pepper plant with a sturdy stake and tie it to the stake as it grows. As usual, a bunch of plants are flopping from the weight of the peppers. I planted peppers in late May, which was perfect timing this year.

Tomatoes are a mixed story. We had temperatures over 100F in early June, most of July, and part of August, and the balance mostly over 90F. I planted a nematode-suppressing cover crop, Kodiak mustard, in some beds and by the time I chopped and incorporated it, and waited 3 weeks, it was getting later than I like to plant. The result was that tomatoes planted in early May did much better than those planted in late May, and early-mid varieties did better than late varieties. My goal for next year is to have the garden ready to plant by mid-April.

As usual, Benevento F1 was a winner for taste and productivity. It has tied for first place with Polaris the past few years, but this year, I got only 3 tomatoes from 2 Polaris plants (that was by far my biggest surprise). The best surprises were Magic Bullet, a pretty striped plum with a sweet flavor, and Cowboy (maybe a cousin of Polaris?), not as sweet as Polaris and only 3-5 oz., but quite prolific and a good sandwich tomato. Bush Early Girl F1 and Raspberry Lyanna, both small plants, have been steady producers. Other good producers were Purple Boy F1, Jersey Breeze (nice red), Black Plum (short shelf life), Kellogg’s Breakfast (sweet, but too juicy to be a good sandwich tomato), Chocolate Sprinkles F1 (beautiful firm tasty cherries), Sun Sugar F1 (best when bright orange and eaten in the garden), Black Cherry (prolific, super-dense plant but late fruits have bug damage), and Rosella cherry (tasty, but plant was wispier and buggier this year). That handful of varieties saved my tomato year, and I have had plenty to share with friends. Also got enough to form an opinion from California Sungold, Pink Champagne, Belle du College, Picus F1, Tommy Toe, One Trick Pony, and Thorburn’s Terra Cotta. I expect to be picking for another month, more or less.

Wrong varieties: Hawaiian Pineapple from Bounty Hunter (got a few yellow cherries), Orange Jazz from a trade (so I wonder if Pink Jazz and Thorburn’s Lemon Blush may be wrong as well), Purple Midnight (got a seedling, couldn’t find info on it; possibly Midnight Snack F1).

Harvested only one or a few fruit from Taxi, Green Tiger, Prairie Fire, Pruden’s Purple, Damsel F1, Maglia Rosa, Ruby Slippers, Taste Patio, Sheboygan, Pink CherryWine F1, Moon Child, Goldie, Daifuku, Sweet Aperitif (but loaded with greenies), and Pink Berkeley Tie Dye at the garden. But in containers on my patio, I got a good early yield of Maglia Rosa and a few Taste Patio, which were planted a month earlier than those in the garden.

Nothing but foliage from Raya Rey, Beefy Red, Sunrise Bumblebee, Legend, Sweet Baby Jade, African Queen, Bo Mango, Belmonte Pear, Granny’s Throwing, GGWT, Franchi’s Red Pear, Talvez F1 (but I see greenies), Carolina Dusk, Woodle Orange, Thorburn’s Lemon Blush, Pink Jazz, Orange Accordion. I will double-check for greenies and start taking these plants out.

Pretty much all the tomato plants looked healthy and vigorous most of the summer except for Green Bee F1, Green Tiger, and Prairie Fire.

Grapes: I have two grape varieties. I started eating Himrod in late June when they were still a bit tart. I’m still eating a few because they started setting new fruit as soon as most of the first crop was picked! I started eating Venus in late July, and they are getting sweeter and sweeter, still a lot on the vine.

Update 26 September: I’ve taken some plants out and discovered two reasons for no/low productivity so far: nematodes and watering. A few roots with root-knot nematode damage were in the beds that had nematode-suppressing Kodiak mustard as a cover crop! But most were in untreated beds. I had planted everything with worm castings and compost in the spring as well.

We get no rain from about May to September, and I didn’t install drip irrigation until the end of August. So I hand-watered, about 2-3 gallons per plant, every 10 days, even at the height of the 100F+ heat waves. But locals say tomato plants need 10 gallons a week, and people I talked with who had good production watered their plants daily during heat waves. Although my plants survived and looked good, many had interior dry leaves. And in the month since adding drip — coincident with more moderate temperatures — a few plants seem to have responded to more water. Sun Sugar, for one, has more and larger fruit and the plant is much more vigorous.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:28 pm
by karstopography
Nice review and recap. What did you think about Belle du College?

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:46 pm
by habitat-gardener
karstopography wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:28 pm Nice review and recap. What did you think about Belle du College?
I got seeds from Terranova and thought Teresa said she had bred it; but when I look it up, I find a Tom Wagner variety. So I wonder if these are different tomatoes. I will have to go look for my seed pack.

My Belle du College is a large dark tomato on a tame indeterminate plant. So far most of them have had catfacing. Good flavor, but not a "wow" like Polaris.

Update: It must be the Tom Wagner variety. Teresa did not say anything about the tomato on the seed pack, other than size/color.
I think every one has split on top! The plant is healthy and vigorous although it is growing next to some other plants that had nematode damage.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:23 pm
by MissS
This is a very nice review. It's such a shame that you had so very many non-productive varieties this year. I have a few of them myself for the first time ever.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:45 am
by Vanman
GGWT was one of my most productive this year. This year has been one of my worst years for tomatoes ever. Planted a week or two later than I wanted, wet early in the season, then hot and only a half inch of rain in August and the first of September. Finally got two inches the past couple of days.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:53 am
by PlainJane
I think Karen Olivier’s Cowboy is destined to be a popular tomato. I loved it.
Thanks for your wonderful recap!

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:15 pm
by GoDawgs
This year's Spring/Summer Winners and Losers:

Eggplant - Had one each of Chinese String, Millionaire, Matrosik and Rosita. We were flooded with eggplants from all, made them every which way and gave some away. Just wonderful! Last month I cut back Matrosik and Rosita as they were getting so tall but they're now flowering again with a few babies on them. And as usual, the older these plants get this time of year, the smaller they are when ripe.

Tomatoes - The most productive by far was SunSugar cherry; a veritable explosion of fruit!. It was a first timer for me but the sweetest cherry I've ever had. It is now on the A Team. Other productive ones were Bella Rosa, Eva's Purple Ball, Dwarf Sweet Satsuma and Homestead. The big ones (Daniel Burson, Rosedale, Bill Bean and SOTW weren't very prolific but made up for it in flavor. Bill Bean turned out to be the largest tomato I've ever grown at 1 lb 7 oz. The one real dud was Punta Banda for the second year in a row. It won't return.

Peppers - The winners were smaller peppers like Lipstick, Ozark Sweet Snack and Tangerine Dream, one pimento (Margaret's) and Maule's Red Hot Cayenne. Tru-hart (another new one to me) is a nematode resistant pepper and was productive but had a rather strange taste. Orange Bell was really good but made only four peppers. Duds were Super Shepherd (2nd year in a row so bye bye!), Habanada (swap seed that didn't germinate), Ancho (plant grew huge, flowered some and made not one pepper) and Beaver Dam (way way hotter than the mild 500-1000 Scovilles I read about). As happens every year, now that the weather has cooled down considerably the pepper plants are happy and loading up again.

Sweet Potatoes - 46 lbs of sweets this year from 11 hills.

Watermelon - My search for the sweetest melon has ended with Wilson Sweet! These cannonball size melons averaged 16 lbs each and one hill produced 11 melons. I have a ton of seed and the 20 I did a germination test on had 100% success. I will be sending some in to the MMMM.

Surprises and Lessons learned:

Riptortus bugs - something new here that did a number on the beans when the beans started to mature a bit past eating stage. We got a lot of beans to put up but lots of damaged seed collected and tossed out.

Squirrels - I think the two year plague of hundreds ravaging tomatoes and corn is over, for whatever reason.

Okra - This one will have to be in buckets from now on. Three years in a row of plants infected with nematodes. Okra is especially sensitive to them.

Micro tomatoes don't like it outdoors here so they will be my house plant toys.

Everything else (corn, cukes, carrots, garlic, peas, assorted brassicas etc) had a average season. Nothing to brag about but all were decent.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:25 pm
by Cornelius_Gotchberg
H/T on growing the Sheboygan Heirloom, a WESconsin variety!

The Gotch

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:49 am
by MissS
I'm glad that you have got the upper hand on the squirrels. They are so destructive to crops.

I agree that SunSugar is a gem. It's on my rotation list of favorites.

All in all it sounds as if you have had a good year.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:43 pm
by bboomer
Thanks! Which were your most productive sweet peppers? I've pretty much stuck with California Wonder. Production is good, not great, but the plant does produce and I like the way they taste.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:18 am
by Cornelius_Gotchberg
bboomer wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:43 pmThanks! Which were your most productive sweet peppers?
Always been happy with Gypsy, Sweet Sunset, and Mama Mia Giallo Hybrids.

The Gotch

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:05 pm
by habitat-gardener
bboomer wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:43 pm Which were your most productive sweet peppers?
Gatherer's Gold, by far. It's a yellow long thin pepper.
Just eyeballing the mounds of peppers on the table still waiting to be used , I'd say Mega Marconi, Chocolate Cake, and Gourmet F1 are contenders as well (for volume/weight). I have 3 plants of most of these.

Although I picked a few ripe peppers here and there in July and August, the plants really started producing about a couple weeks ago. I generally pick peppers at least into November.

For number of peppers per plant, Gatherer's Gold still wins (42 peppers from 3 plants so far). Close contenders for number of peppers per plant (10-11) are some smaller peppers, Hungarian Magyar (for drying) and Lipstick. At 8 per plant so far are Slonovo Uvo and Violet Sparkle. All other varieties average about 5-6 per plant so far (except Chocolate Beauty, only 3.5, and Mega Marconi, 12 from 4 plants). I haven't harvested anything yet from Goldstrike, but the plant is 5' high and loaded with large peppers!

It has been a good year for peppers.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:36 pm
by Labradors
In the big thin category, Zupska is nice and early, but Ancient Sweet wins for flavour. (These are both red). I've always loved Gatherers Gold, but it's rather late here. All are productive. I'm tired of giving garden space to stingy peppers, and will only grow these 3 next year, and maybe a Capriglio (small, round, sweet, red - perfect for one person).

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:04 pm
by karstopography
habitat-gardener wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:46 pm
karstopography wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:28 pm Nice review and recap. What did you think about Belle du College?
I got seeds from Terranova and thought Teresa said she had bred it; but when I look it up, I find a Tom Wagner variety. So I wonder if these are different tomatoes. I will have to go look for my seed pack.

My Belle du College is a large dark tomato on a tame indeterminate plant. So far most of them have had catfacing. Good flavor, but not a "wow" like Polaris.

Update: It must be the Tom Wagner variety. Teresa did not say anything about the tomato on the seed pack, other than size/color.
I think every one has split on top! The plant is healthy and vigorous although it is growing next to some other plants that had nematode damage.
I struck Belle du College from my 2025 grow list. Tomatoes that have a tendency to catface and or split, especially when others grown next to it don’t, get deleted from future grow lists. The seeds were freebies anyway.

I do have Polaris seeds and maybe I should grow that one in 2025.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:23 pm
by bower
Great crop of peppers from Tres Long des Landes this year. They are very long, twice the size of Jimmy Nardello, and I guess I should be counting how many per plant, they are loaded.

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:14 am
by CrazyAboutOrchids
My 2024 garden was full of both hits and misses!

For misses....
Overall, my first attempt at Brussel Sprouts was a disaster. Planted too many and read about covering them up too late. I battled and lost to bugs. Will grow 1/2 of this years crop again next year and cover from the get-go!

Lynnwood - grew for a 2nd time, won't again. Last year it succumbed to cold, this year to heat. If the tomatoes were bigger or more plentiful, I would grow again, but nah.
Was gifted seeds of Rosovyi Krypne and True Colours. Might try RK again cuz when she produced it was amazing - started strong and was really in awe but then fizzled - but not True Colours - really didn't like the heat waves we had, tasty, but not plentiful enough to be gifted a spot in my small garden.
Kosovo - a staple in my garden really failed this year, but will be invited back just because most years it's a hit.
SunSugar - a staple for years but I learned why you don't save seed from F1 hybrids the hard way. Will come back, but from bought seed!

Hits....
Cherokee Carbon - a staple always performs well.
Pomodoro Cuore Antico di Aqui Terme -planted 2 - one really struggled but still produced - the other.. Wow... lots of 12 - 18oz + fruits!
Cowboy - really is such an amazing tomato. Grew for the first time last year, will be a staple. May not like the heat very much, but it doesn't bow away from it. Beautiful color, shockingly great taste, large size for that perfect hamburger slice, and amazing production to boot!
GGWT - she just grows and produces regardless of what is going on.
NAR - Largest fruit of my season so far at just .05 ounces shy of 2 lbs.
Sweet Ozark Orange - was gifted these seed, took a long time to produce, didn't like the heat but it didn't give up, just didn't do much for a long time. But when it decided to.. WOW! The taste is amazing. Getting lots of 12 - 18 lb fruits now - late but so well worth it. Will repeat.
Cuostralee - was another gifted tomato, was another late one for me, but will come back for a do-over.
RK's Purple Sugar - in the quest to have 2 tasty cherries in different colors for our salads, I tried this one. It will come back! Where SunSugar is sweet and yellow, this one tastes like a 'big' tomato just in a very small size with beautiful color. As big a monster as SunSugar, they both need space!
Daniel Burson - MissS gifted me these seed and all I can say is wow, wow, WOW! This plant just plugs away, through heat and humidity and rain and produces and produces and produces. Some were fairly ugly with lots of radial cracking, but some are just beautiful! Will be a repeat for sure! It does need space, I should have doubled up on sages for it, it grew over the tops of other tomatoes all across one side. Had 1 plant - may do 2 next year. Still getting loads of fruit - the most productive of my 20 plants aside from the cherries.

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:21 pm
by JRinPA
You might not have enough sun up there for cuostralee, SOO, and Rosovyi K. They do really well here. I think of SOO as the slowest of those, but I have had steady production of all three since late July and still going and tasting great.

But sunsugar F2 - I'll bet they were a mess!

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:28 pm
by MissS
@CrazyAboutOrchids Thanks so much for the detailed review.

Daniel Burson is a very productive plant and I'm happy that it has done so well for you. Daniel Burson is known as a compact plant that stays about 5' tall. It sounds as if you may have an off-type. If per chance you saved seeds, may I have a few to grow out and see if what you have is truly DB or perhaps a cross?

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:34 am
by CrazyAboutOrchids
@JRinPA RK was earliest of the three but then fizzled in late batch of heat we had, followed by Cuostralee and SOO was the latest. I will be moving SOO to the opposite side of the garden; chipmunks sneak in on that side and were sampling a few fruits. Prue happened to be their favorite overall. RK provided me with enough to invite back for a second try. It was loaded with fruit at one time, just didn't last the entire season. I really should only grow 16 tomatoes - this year I really pushed it and won't again; I don't have the space for it. I have my 2025 plants picked out already. :)

As to the Sunsugar F2 - no, it was not pretty. Spindly, scrawny plant that struggled all over the place, just could not thrive at all. What fruit we got was red, VERY tough skin, and fairly flavorless. My husband was NOT pleased as it is his FAV thing to eat as he wanders through the garden daily looking for stuff to pick. I gave away 3 other starts and they all ran true and one receiver graciously provided him with fruit. I already have my supply of F1 seed for next year. Lesson learned - I had no clue!

@MissS I did not save seed, sorry. However, DB is already on my grow list for next year so I will keep that in mind. Actually, I will make a note on my garden plan - you have a better chance at a response next year that way. :)

Re: garden recap 2024: winners, surprises, learning experiences,

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:01 pm
by Dee
It wasn't the best growing year for us. When I started gardening, our zone was considered 2a, and I learned quickly what would do well and what wouldn't, and what (relatively few) things would grow in our short season.

The last few years has seen our summer weather flipped on it's head. Heat waves, drought. Weather too hot for tomato flowers to set. Loads of BER. I have always grown mostly Russian/eastern European, and Canadian tomato varieties because of our climate but I think I'm going to have to start branching out.

On the upside, we have a longer season in which to grow winter squash to maturity and I am giving peppers another try.

Dwarf Roza Vetrov, Dwarf Speckled Heart, Japanese Black Trifele, and Scotia were the winners this summer; productive, early, and the least touched by BER.

Ropreco was the write-off of the summer. It was a variety I was counting on, so had 6 plants of it. Between the BER and the snacking deer, I think I harvested 15 decent tomatoes.

Rozovyi Myod and Velmozha were crazy productive, but hit hard with BER. Still, I will try them again, in different locations. I couldn't believe how productive the plants were and how meaty the tomatoes.

Mrs. Bot's Italian Giant - I had high hopes, but they were irrational. *L* Our season just isn't long enough for late season varieties. I harvested them green and they 'ripened' indoors, but the texture and taste aren't what they would have been had they been able to ripen a bit longer on the plants.

Probably won't grow Dwarf Firebird Sweet again (it was much later in our garden than the 75DTM I kept reading about). The plants were very productive and the colouring of the fruit was beautiful, but so many of the fruit were wonky-shaped that it has made processing a chore.

I have never grown hybrid tomatoes, but am considering doing so in order that I might have a chance of growing a decent paste variety that isn't consumed with BER. I make sauce with whatever tomatoes do well, but would prefer meatier varieties with fewer seeds.

I'm already making and remaking lists of which tomatoes to grow next summer. Always the same push-pull: should I go with practical/predictable varieties, or rare/unusual/interesting ones, that can be riskier? The perennial dilemma.

I haven't grown peppers in years (again, short season + little experience = unimpressive crop). This year, I tried Ajvarski again, though, and am so glad I did. LOADS of nice, big peppers. I grew Anaheim, too, and they did reasonably well. I'll have to spend some time reading and watching videos this winter so I can learn how to prune them/pinch them off and make them bushier/more productive next year.

Winter squash:
Burpee's Butterbush - our third year growing it. It didn't do as well this year as the last two times, but we still harvested a number of squash and the size is perfect for us.

Sweet Meat - was so excited to grow this and save seeds! But it looks like it, at some point, crossed with another squash variety, as it has splotches of tan/orange and the shape is more pumpkin-y than Sweet Meat-y. (That's the risk you take doing seed trades, sometimes, especially if you don't know the individual or what their level of experience is with gardening/seed-saving.) I will likely return to growing my tried-and-true and well-loved Galeux D'Eysines next year.

North Georgia Candy Roaster - we had only 1 plant and put it in the garden as a "what the heck, why not?" afterthought. It gave us two large, beautiful looking squash and a smaller one as well.

It was even a rough year for dry beans, which is really unusual! The winners were Ireland Creek Annie, Early Warwick, and Weiner Treib. Many did not mature in time (it's like they stopped growing/developing mid-summer) for harvest. Ones that usually do well (e.g., Tene's Beans, Beka Brown, Tiger Eye) simply did not this year. I also grew a small patch of Gold Harvest dry/cooking peas. They are early, productive, and delicious. I'll definitely grow these again.