just seen where the state of mi. just banned the sale of vegetable seeds for home growers! lol
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:19 am
by Setec Astronomy
To make sure there are enough seeds available for commercial growers?
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:46 am
by MissS
They are forbidding the sale of seeds and closing all garden centers as well as part of a very tight lock down. I really don't understand the seed issue because seeds are considered a food source and are a covered item under the SNAP program (food stamps). Michigan now has the most restricted lock down in the country.
I guess all Michiganders will have to buy seeds & plants online.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:00 am
by ddsack
Actually, that is not true.
This guy is really long winded, but he makes a lot of good points that could apply to situations outside of Michigan.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:39 am
by MissS
To sum up the video, all garden centers must be roped off to customers but the stores can bring the seeds out to be accessible to customers in other areas of the store and available for sale.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:22 pm
by Nan6b
So seeds are take-out only, like restaurants.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:09 pm
by bower
I believe our seed stores/nurseries here are closed too. They wouldn't be super busy yet in any case.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:40 pm
by MissS
Nan6b wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:22 pm
So seeds are take-out only, like restaurants.
They can move the seed racks to a place out of the garden area where people have access to them, such as closer to the cash register. Perhaps you could call for pick up too.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:15 pm
by MsCowpea
Encore,
It would be great when making such a statement to give your source for the information as that can impact legitimacy and hidden agendas
of that particular source.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:10 pm
by encore
it popped up on my phone and I'm not that smart as to how to put it on here so I suggest to google it if you want'==tom
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:36 pm
by Sue_CT
Just a fine point that i think makes a big difference, only garden centers that are INSIDE or part of a larger store that is greater than 50,000 square feet has to close or rope off its garden center. We for instance, have free standing, independent garden centers and smaller stores (Like Agway) that are no where near 50,000 sqft. It appears that even in Michigan those would be open and you could buy your seeds there. Not to mention online.
It would be great when making such a statement to give your source for the information as that can impact legitimacy and hidden agendas
of that particular source.
You are the voice of reason. Well put.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:53 am
by Ginger2778
Sue_CT wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:36 pm
Just a fine point that i think makes a big difference, only garden centers that are INSIDE or part of a larger store that is greater than 50,000 square feet has to close or rope off its garden center. We for instance, have free standing, independent garden centers and smaller stores (Like Agway) that are no where near 50,000 sqft. It appears that even in Michigan those would be open and you could buy your seeds there. Not to mention online.
Excellent info. Whoever put up the post that the OP saw, definitely had an agenda.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:36 am
by encore
like I said-- it popped up on my phone on google; i'm not as smart as some of you as far as getting it off my phone and putting it on here, so i'll just be silent I guess!----tom
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:18 pm
by rxkeith
i am in michigan.
yes its the big box stores that are affected.
it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. if people are already out buying groceries then why not be able to buy
seeds or vegetable plants too while they are out, and about. limit the number of people in the store if you need to,
but jeez, let's use a little common sense.
smaller stores will still be able to sell greenhouse plants. my store will have a greenhouse. the owner is big into plants.
myself, i had a $90.00 order from sandhill preservation this year. i'm set for seeds. most of what goes into the garden is
started from seed.
the other thing is the U.P. is under the same restrictions as the rest of the state.
wayne and oakland counties are two hot spots in lower michigan. houghton where
i am has had two confirmed cases of the virus. there are other counties up here that
have zero cases. the U.P. is a different world compared to a good part of the rest of the state,
but the same rules apply.
keith
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:27 pm
by Nan6b
Keith, those measures will keep you safe. Would that we all had more stringent measures taken when there were only 2 confirmed cases.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:37 pm
by PlainJane
rxkeith wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:18 pm
i am in michigan.
yes its the big box stores that are affected.
it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. if people are already out buying groceries then why not be able to buy
seeds or vegetable plants too while they are out, and about. limit the number of people in the store if you need to,
but jeez, let's use a little common sense.
smaller stores will still be able to sell greenhouse plants. my store will have a greenhouse. the owner is big into plants.
myself, i had a $90.00 order from sandhill preservation this year. i'm set for seeds. most of what goes into the garden is
started from seed.
the other thing is the U.P. is under the same restrictions as the rest of the state.
wayne and oakland counties are two hot spots in lower michigan. houghton where
i am has had two confirmed cases of the virus. there are other counties up here that
have zero cases. the U.P. is a different world compared to a good part of the rest of the state,
but the same rules apply.
keith
I understand. I was born in Detroit and lived in AA and Ypsilanti until my 20’s, and vacationed all over Michigan including the UP.
I get that the UP is empty compared to Metro Detroit.
I think your governor is right. Contrast that with Florida, where I am now, and the Spring Break fiasco. Florida is a slow-motion disaster right now. Once they start tallying cases from nursing homes the numbers will go way up.
Re: michigan seeds
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:09 am
by GoDawgs
rxkeith wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:18 pm... it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. if people are already out buying groceries then why not be able to buy seeds or vegetable plants too while they are out, and about. limit the number of people in the store if you need to, but jeez, let's use a little common sense.
smaller stores will still be able to sell greenhouse plants. my store will have a greenhouse. the owner is big into plants.
myself, i had a $90.00 order from sandhill preservation this year. i'm set for seeds. most of what goes into the garden is
started from seed.
keith
The Governor's restrictions have absolutely no rhyme or reason. There is no common sense there. And that's all I'm saying.
rxkeith wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:18 pm... it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. if people are already out buying groceries then why not be able to buy seeds or vegetable plants too while they are out, and about. limit the number of people in the store if you need to, but jeez, let's use a little common sense.
smaller stores will still be able to sell greenhouse plants. my store will have a greenhouse. the owner is big into plants.
myself, i had a $90.00 order from sandhill preservation this year. i'm set for seeds. most of what goes into the garden is
started from seed.
keith
The Governor's restrictions have absolutely no rhyme or reason. There is no common sense there. And that's all I'm saying.
Here is her rhyme and reason.Her state is the 3rd highest in Covid-19 infections in the entire US, and she certainly does not have the third highest population. That means she has a much, much more severe rate of infections per her states population than 47 other states. That means she has many more people going out without masks or/and other protection, a lot of them being asymptomatic carriers and spreaders, and she is doing severe measures because her state's specific needs warrant it.
A package of seeds, like a grocery bag, or any other surface, can hold active virus for up to 17 days(scientifically proven with cultures done on cruise ship surfaces up to 17 days after people disembarked). She needs to be given some leeway, she is trying to keep people safe. Science does matter more than someones beliefs thatnit is otherwise, and the virus doesn't careanout anyones belief system.