2022/2023 variety questions and maybe answers

[Toomanymatoes]

I am still working through all the packets I received. It's amazing and overwhelming at the same time! So incredible. I can see now why some people only participate a few times. I have enough new varieties to try for the next 10 years!

Normally I record DTM, fruit color, fruit type (e.g., cherry, salad, slicer, oxheart, paste), leaf type, growth habit (det, semi-det or ind), average size in lbs, and country of origin. Sometimes I make notes of parental lineage. If it is an eastern European variety, I try to record the original name and translation as well.

A few I am struggling with:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink
Delano Green Ripe
Elise's Fancy (is it Elsie's Fancy?)
Estate
Nebula
Ocharovanie Kamnatniy (Is is just Ocharovanie?)

That's as far as I have gotten. Working on P onwards next.

Also, is Franklin County the same as Dwarf Franklin County? Early Astrakhanskie = Astrakhanskie?

Missing leaf type from quite a few as well:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Yellow
Chang Li
Chernaya Lakomka
Cole
Early Willamette
Orange You Glad

Thanks for any help. None of this is critical. I just like data.

[Tormahto]

Aww, I have been nuts with selling house and moving my gardens last year. Got really lucky to have great friends who moved/planted my garden and tomatoes for me last year.
To those who might have received tomatoes Pink from me .
I know , very unoriginal, but that how I got them.
Those tomatoes were from Ukraine, where I got it about 2012? from long term grower who just provided basic names as in description. Area now destroyed by war so am unable to even give my gratitude to that woman. She grew it for long time but did not care about names and such.
I still have few original seeds left and have what I have grown over the years collected.
It has been reliable performer on early side of pink heart ish medium to mostly large tomatoes, fairly compact ish.

Do you know the woman's name? If so, perhaps call it _ _ _ _ _ 's Pink, or _ _ _ _ _ 's Pink Heart, if there is no similar named variety.

And maybe serdtse and rozovyi instead of the English?

[Happygardener23]

I am still working through all the packets I received. It's amazing and overwhelming at the same time! So incredible. I can see now why some people only participate a few times. I have enough new varieties to try for the next 10 years!

Normally I record DTM, fruit color, fruit type (e.g., cherry, salad, slicer, oxheart, paste), leaf type, growth habit (det, semi-det or ind), average size in lbs, and country of origin. Sometimes I make notes of parental lineage. If it is an eastern European variety, I try to record the original name and translation as well.

A few I am struggling with:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink
Delano Green Ripe
Elise's Fancy (is it Elsie's Fancy?)
Estate
Nebula
Ocharovanie Kamnatniy (Is is just Ocharovanie?)

That's as far as I have gotten. Working on P onwards next.

Also, is Franklin County the same as Dwarf Franklin County? Early Astrakhanskie = Astrakhanskie?

Missing leaf type from quite a few as well:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Yellow
Chang Li
Chernaya Lakomka
Cole
Early Willamette
Orange You Glad

Thanks for any help. None of this is critical. I just like data.

Delano Green Ripe was sent in by me. I received the seeds from Farmer Shawn's final offer of Carolyn Male's seeds from her collection. They were a medium-large green beefsteak. Ind. Pretty prolific. Tasty. Not as tangy as other GWRs. I do not recall leaf type or DTMs

[GoDawgs]

A few I am struggling with:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink
Delano Green Ripe

Also, is Franklin County the same as Dwarf Franklin County?
Early Astrakhanskie = Astrakhanskie?

Missing leaf type from quite a few as well:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Yellow
Chang Li
Chernaya Lakomka
Cole
Early Willamette
Orange You Glad

Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink - I couldn't find any info at all on this one.
Cole - found something that said it was a regular leaf.
Orange You Glad and Chang Li - found most info on these two except the leaf.
Franklin County - the info I found said it was a dwarf and called it a mini beefsteak. Don't know if "Dwarf" is part of the name though.

Hope that helps.

[Tormahto]

A few I am struggling with:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink
Delano Green Ripe

Also, is Franklin County the same as Dwarf Franklin County?
Early Astrakhanskie = Astrakhanskie?

Missing leaf type from quite a few as well:
Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Yellow
Chang Li
Chernaya Lakomka
Cole
Early Willamette
Orange You Glad

Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink - I couldn't find any info at all on this one.
Cole - found something that said it was a regular leaf.
Orange You Glad and Chang Li - found most info on these two except the leaf.
Franklin County - the info I found said it was a dwarf and called it a mini beefsteak. Don't know if "Dwarf" is part of the name though.

Hope that helps.

Wow, you're in luck. I'm packing seeds while reading this and glance over to the 20 gallons of tomato varieties. There's AERP floating on top.

Like Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Yellow (there's a story, here at the Junction) grown by Ms. Eula from Rockhouse, TN. Seeds were left to her nephew Paul Douglas (a really touching story if you find it), a dear friend of one of the swap participants.

RL, assumed ind., assumed beefsteak, pink, 8 to 16 ounces, about 80 days. I find the story of Eula and Paul more important then the tomato details.

[steve ok]

Cole - found something that said it was a regular leaf.

Here is some info on Cole: http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.p ... 254&page=2

[Scooty]

@GoDawgs I am wondering if your Pink Heart could be Pink Oxheart. Perhaps somebody shortened the name.

It could be but there's no way for me to know. The piece of paper inside the envelope says "Pink (indet. heart from Lindalana, brought it back from Russia), 2020, Unbagged, scooty."

Yeaux, @Scooty ! Can you help out with this?

@HL2601

Linda is local to me as well, which means @Happygardener23 should be close by as well.

Definitely different. Pink is a indet heart that Lindalana brought back from Russia herself. For those older members of MMMM and TVM, they might remember Lindalana, as she was responsible for bringing back a bunch of Russian/Ukranian cultivars similar to Tatiana. I believe she was responsible for few of the EE names that you might see in MMMM now.

She never gave it a name beyond Pink. That was name for it. That is the name I preserved because that was what she called it, and I know that is what she is still calling it. It's not a placeholder name. That is her name for it. For those collecting for the future, I would put Lindalana's Pink.

I have grown Pink Oxheart before. Lindalana's Pink is came out more squat, deeper pink. I'm not huge on hearts so I'm not the best judge as far as what might be good. I grew them out for her as she had extra plants and wanted seed. I thought it was pretty good as far as flavor. Reasonably productive, NOT whispy like Grightmire's Pride, but still needs support.

[Scooty]

Also, is Franklin County the same as Dwarf Franklin County?

I'll presume that Franklin County tag has my name? If so yes, that is from the dwarf tomato project.

[Tormahto]

@GoDawgs I am wondering if your Pink Heart could be Pink Oxheart. Perhaps somebody shortened the name.

It could be but there's no way for me to know. The piece of paper inside the envelope says "Pink (indet. heart from Lindalana, brought it back from Russia), 2020, Unbagged, scooty."

Yeaux, @Scooty ! Can you help out with this?

@HL2601

Linda is local to me as well, which means @Happygardener23 should be close by as well.

Definitely different. Pink is a indet heart that Lindalana brought back from Russia herself. For those older members of MMMM and TVM, they might remember Lindalana, as she was responsible for bringing back a bunch of Russian/Ukranian cultivars similar to Tatiana. I believe she was responsible for few of the EE names that you might see in MMMM now.

She never gave it a name beyond Pink. That was name for it. That is the name I preserved because that was what she called it, and I know that is what she is still calling it. It's not a placeholder name. That is her name for it. For those collecting for the future, I would put Lindalana's Pink.

I have grown Pink Oxheart before. Lindalana's Pink is came out more squat, deeper pink. I'm not huge on hearts so I'm not the best judge as far as what might be good. I grew them out for her as she had extra plants and wanted seed. I thought it was pretty good as far as flavor. Reasonably productive, NOT whispy like Grightmire's Pride, but still needs support.

A few? Ellen is likely too humble to say, but she is responsible for about half, or more, of all EE varieties in the swap over the years. It took me 2 years to decipher her hand writing where I was almost confident that I could transcribe each letter of a long unpronounceable name. I am better for it, as most hand written labels are now easier for me to read.

[Toomanymatoes]

Delano Green Ripe was sent in by me. I received the seeds from Farmer Shawn's final offer of Carolyn Male's seeds from her collection. They were a medium-large green beefsteak. Ind. Pretty prolific. Tasty. Not as tangy as other GWRs. I do not recall leaf type or DTMs

Thanks!

Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Pink - I couldn't find any info at all on this one.
Cole - found something that said it was a regular leaf.
Orange You Glad and Chang Li - found most info on these two except the leaf.
Franklin County - the info I found said it was a dwarf and called it a mini beefsteak. Don't know if "Dwarf" is part of the name though.

Hope that helps.

Yes, that is helpful. Thank you!

Wow, you're in luck. I'm packing seeds while reading this and glance over to the 20 gallons of tomato varieties. There's AERP floating on top.

Like Aunt Eula's Rockhouse Yellow (there's a story, here at the Junction) grown by Ms. Eula from Rockhouse, TN. Seeds were left to her nephew Paul Douglas (a really touching story if you find it), a dear friend of one of the swap participants.

RL, assumed ind., assumed beefsteak, pink, 8 to 16 ounces, about 80 days. I find the story of Eula and Paul more important then the tomato details.

Thanks! I completely agree about the history of the variety. That is what I find the most interesting and fascinating. Really, it is the reason why I love growing all heirlooms. I did not intend to belittle that point at all. However, I also like the phenotype details to help me decide what to plant and if what I end up with is likely correct or not.

Here is some info on Cole: http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.p ... 254&page=2

Thanks!

I'll presume that Franklin County tag has my name? If so yes, that is from the dwarf tomato project.

I would have to dig it up and see. I will assume yes

[Toomanymatoes]

Just a few more:

Pozha - DTM?
Premus - Leaf Type?
Rhode Island Early - Leaf Type?
Rozoviy Saraeva (Pink Sarajevo) -Leaf Type?
Shokoladnaya Sosulka (Chocolate Icicle) - Any info. Russian paste variety?
Timpurii (I think that translates to Early) - Any info. An early determinate from Romania.
Warren Bees F5 - Any info. Seems to be a bicolor?

Thanks again for any info. I would be happy to post my list if anyone is interested. No guarantee it is correct. Especially DTM, since most only indicate early vs mid vs late etc.. and some info is conflicting.

[GoDawgs]

I finally found some information on Enduro tomato on one foreign site and used the Bing translator as the description was in French.

Enduro is a determinate dwarf plant standing 2.5-3' tall. Round red fruit is 5-6 oz, 70-80 days. No indication of leaf type.

[Tormahto]

I finally found some information on Enduro tomato on one foreign site and used the Bing translator as the description was in French.

Enduro is a determinate dwarf plant standing 2.5-3' tall. Round red fruit is 5-6 oz, 70-80 days. No indication of leaf type.

The Enduro in the swap was sent in a few years ago, sent out, and returned. The only thing on the original label was ...red, a Bill Jeffers cross (I think), and A TOUGH PLANT!

I'm not sure of any (loose) standards for describing a determinate dwarf. I've always called a plant a determinate if it was in that 2.5 foot, or taller, range. A micro (determinate) dwarf is generally under 16", and a determinate dwarf, for me, generally falls between 18 and 24 inches.

[Tormahto]

Just a few more:

Pozha - DTM?
Premus - Leaf Type?
Rhode Island Early - Leaf Type?
Rozoviy Saraeva (Pink Sarajevo) -Leaf Type?
Shokoladnaya Sosulka (Chocolate Icicle) - Any info. Russian paste variety?
Timpurii (I think that translates to Early) - Any info. An early determinate from Romania.
Warren Bees F5 - Any info. Seems to be a bicolor?

Thanks again for any info. I would be happy to post my list if anyone is interested. No guarantee it is correct. Especially DTM, since most only indicate early vs mid vs late etc.. and some info is conflicting.

Pozhar - I'll have to find my notes, but I think it is just over the 55 DTM I set for myself for calling a variety "extra early". It has (rare) good flavor for an early determinate.

[MissTee]

Thank you all for the incredible selection of seeds. I will be growing for years, and years, and years! Thank you @Toomanymatoes, you and I have a lot of the same questions, and some of the holes in my spreadsheet are being filled.

A few more questions on varieties I can find little information about online :

Aunt Eula's Rockhouse 2021, (OP) - Not sure the colour, as there have been a few colours noted in above discussion, or growing info.

Russian Mini Yellow, 2018, Ann123

New Cheef 2018 - written with Black sharpie.

Grandee 2021 - found "pink heart on compact plants" from TJ, Nothing else online.

Morumo / Moruno? de San Pablo

Unnamed Pink Cherry - Scooty 2019 - Scooty, can you provide more details about this variety?

Carneal Tiger 2021 - "Prolific pink/yellow stripes" on label. Lots of other "tigers" come up in my searches, but not this one!

Megatrusses 2021

Permoga 165 2021 -- EDIT: Ignore this, I found it. I was spelling it wrong, it is Peremoga.


Thanks very much if anyone can share any more details: colour, fruit type/size, leaf type, plant growth, DTM, description/taste.
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[habitat-gardener]

I searched for Grandee and found one post that said "aka Velmozha" which has a lot more info online.

[Scooty]

Unnamed Pink Cherry - Scooty 2019 - Scooty, can you provide more details about this variety?

I have vague memories of this one. I recall it was a mutation of one of my cherries. I want to say RL, indent about same time as SunGold but I don't remember.

I do remember clearly that I originally saved seed with the intention to mail to @AlittleSalt because they love pink cherries. They never responded to me and I was clearing out my seed stash. I have another box I need to mail to @Tormato for next year.

[Tormahto]

Unnamed Pink Cherry - Scooty 2019 - Scooty, can you provide more details about this variety?

I have vague memories of this one. I recall it was a mutation of one of my cherries. I want to say RL, indent about same time as SunGold but I don't remember.

I do remember clearly that I originally saved seed with the intention to mail to @AlittleSalt because they love pink cherries. They never responded to me and I was clearing out my seed stash. I have another box I need to mail to @Tormato for next year.

Another one? The earlier, the better.

[Toomanymatoes]

I searched for Grandee and found one post that said "aka Velmozha" which has a lot more info online.

I have it as also being called Budenovka. I read an article states that Grandee was selected from an early-ripening variety of Velhmozha and was also called Budenovka.

https://gardenlux-fr.designluxpro.com/s ... tzyvy.html

No idea though.

[Seven Bends]

I searched for Grandee and found one post that said "aka Velmozha" which has a lot more info online.

I have it as also being called Budenovka. I read an article states that Grandee was selected from an early-ripening variety of Velhmozha and was also called Budenovka.

https://gardenlux-fr.designluxpro.com/s ... tzyvy.html

No idea though.

Here's a link to the same article in English: https://gardenlux-en.designluxpro.com/s ... tzyvy.html

It sounds to me like they're using the three names interchangeably, as if they're all the same tomato, rather than one being a selection from another. It's not entirely clear, though.