Elbonian varieties

[NYTomatoNewbie]

Does anyone have a description of the Elbonian mudslinger? Sounds like from above it’s a black?

[Whwoz]

Yes @NYTomatoNewbie, a black. Potato leaf indeterminate of which I currently have 3 growing here down under. Plenty of fruit on them, plants currently around 1.5m/5 feet tall and not one fruit on any of the plants starting to ripen. I shall be posting pictures when they do.

[Whwoz]

Elbonian Hip Deep is an @Tormato selection that I have been growing for several years now. Looks and tastes delicious, here are two, the cut one was used to save seed from. The only other Elbonian cultivar I am growing is Elbonian Mudslinger and there are marked differences between the two. Hip Deep would have to be classified as a potato leaf dwarf, just over half the height of Mudslinger and indeterminate potato leaf plant that is around shoulder high on me (I stand around 5'8" tall), meaning that Hip deep would be lucky to be 2.5 feet tall at the moment. This difference has been notable every time I have grown it and before it came my way. Hip deep has been supplying us with tomatoes for several weeks now, while I am yet to pick one off Mudslinger. Mudslinger appears to have slightly larger tomatoes overall on it also (3 plants of each var growing on opposite sides of the same bed, so as close to the same conditions as one can get), think 150 - 200g for Hipdeep, and I expect 250g or thereabouts for a lot of the Mudslingers.

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Copied from my Glog Woz

[NYTomatoNewbie]

@Whwoz Thank you, this is very helpful!!!

[Tormahto]

Elbonian Mudslinger is supposed to be a black. But, it's only about an F3, so nowhere near stable.

I recommend saving seeds of whatever it produces. It's from the Wild Thyme line of selections, which have produced some great tasting varieties.

[Whwoz]

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The first of the Elbonian Mudslingers to ripen off the one plant. The two from single flowers are 230g/8.2 Oz and 256g/9.05 Oz, the double 463g/16.35 Oz. A day or two before I taste one of them.

[Whwoz]

From the middle of three plants

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The big one is just on 14 Oz/400 g. The smallest is 6 Oz/170g. A couple of the small ones are grub affected and will be the first ones tasted.

[Whwoz]

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The first one ripe on plant three, the Southern most plant that was not badly grub eaten.300g/10.7 Oz of meaty yumminess, rated as good but not "I want it all" by daughter.

There are boat shaped fruit out there @Tormato , any preference as to shape or size I keep seed from?

[Tormahto]

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The first one ripe on plant three, the Southern most plant that was not badly grub eaten.300g/10.7 Oz of meaty yumminess, rated as good but not "I want it all" by daughter.

There are boat shaped fruit out there @Tormato , any preference as to shape or size I keep seed from?

If you think there may be differences enough that you may have more than one line, I'd just record what you have, and keep seeds from each plant separate. The only thing I care about is flavor, in selecting for traits.

[Stitchingmom]

Just found some Elbonian Puddle Duck seeds in my stash. Anyone know the vital facts?

[Whwoz]

@Stitchingmom , if you go to post 15 of this thread you will find a link to a TV thread that has the origins of this cross. I think it was Thyme Wildthing X Elgin Pink and @Tormato is responsible for it.

[MissS]

Just found some Elbonian Puddle Duck seeds in my stash. Anyone know the vital facts?

Elbonoian Puddle Duck is RL Pink beefsteak at F3. Most of the Elbonian's are dark tomatoes. I started several seeds of Elbonian Mudslinger and this was the only RL seedling and it produced these pink tomatoes. It's very productive with very good flavor.

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[Tormahto]

MissS and Whwoz have each found a pink among grow outs of Elbonian Mudslinger.

MissS's "Elbonian Puddle Duck" is a RL. I don't recall the leaf type of Whwoz's "North Elbonian Pinko". If they are different leaf types, they are different, but not yet stable, "varieties". If they are both RL, I'll likely grow them side-by-side, to find out if they have any significant differences.

[MissS]

@Whwoz what is the leaf type of North Elbonian Pinko?

[Whwoz]

@Whwoz what is the leaf type of North Elbonian Pinko?

Not sure @MissS . I haven't mentioned it in this thread, will have a look in my glog and see if I have it there.

[MissS]

@Whwoz what is the leaf type of North Elbonian Pinko?

Not sure @MissS . I haven't mentioned it in this thread, will have a look in my glog and see if I have it there.

@BettyC-5 post #3 of this thread viewtopic.php?p=117808&hilit=North+Elbo ... ko#p117808 shows photos of her North Elbonoian Pinko which was grown from Whwoz's seed. It appears to be a PL plant to me.

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[BettyC-5]

This is N.E. Pinko when it was smaller, I listed it as RL.

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E. Hipdeep is in purple cages in background, PL.

[Shule]

Tormato, what can you tell me about Elbonian Mudball variety, please ?

You just had to go there.

http://www.tomatoville.com/showpost.php?p=332725

14 years later, it's at about an F5, thanks to Whwoz.

Since Tomatoville does not seem to be up anymore, now seems like a good time to ask what the page you linked to said. Well, maybe it's not a good time, but it's probably a better time than every other time in the future.

[Tormahto]

Tormato, what can you tell me about Elbonian Mudball variety, please ?

You just had to go there.

http://www.tomatoville.com/showpost.php?p=332725

14 years later, it's at about an F5, thanks to Whwoz.

Since Tomatoville does not seem to be up anymore, now seems like a good time to ask what the page you linked to said. Well, maybe it's not a good time, but it's probably a better time than every other time in the future.

There is never a good time for me to revisit this tomato. YOU'VE ALL BEEN WARNED by T'junction's resident despiser of most things dark tomato related. So, proceed at your own risk. The history of the origins (U2 a.k.a. Elbonian Mud Ball) has been covered. Two unknown (U2) tomatoes, a 2+ pound pink from an unmanned farm stand, and most likely a black, naturally crossed in my garden. Saved seed of the pink produced the evil spawn we now have in Elbonian Mud Ball.

The best that I am able to recollect about my previous taste profile is, imagine...

... a spoiled piece of raw fish...

(shark would be my first choice, by my experience of once dining on such a wretched piece of protein)

...drop it in a mud puddle...

...put it on the outdoor grill and cook it until barely a bit burned...

...drop it in the mud puddle again...

...place an ultra-thin slice of an under-ripe tomato on top...

...place an ultra-thin slice of an over-ripe tomato on the bottom...

...and eat.

Later on, I added to put a clothespin on one's nose before eating, as there is no ammonia smell, just the taste, of a spoiled piece of fish.

Understand that I know of one other tomato grower, who doesn't live too far from me, that tastes most dark tomatoes the same way that I do: earthy, smokey, under-ripe or over-ripe, never perfectly ripe, and when she mentioned the rotten fish aspect, it all clicked with me.

I'd expect most people who really like the vast majority of dark tomatoes would like Elbonian Mud Ball. I only like a few of the "sweeter, perfectly ripe" tasting ones.

If someone wants to go much further down the rabbit hole, someone pointed me to the traditional Icelandic delicacy of Hakarl.

[Yak54]

Mmmm good. Sounds even better than Stump of the World and Aunt Ginny’s Purple ! Without the clothespin.