Micro dwarf x Indeterminate cross ideas.

[KaguyaCloud]

Update 5/28/25:

Joro BC1-1 has visible flower buds at 15 days.

I'm not seeing the pics, and getting a blank screen at Imgur too.
Edited to add - how strange, the moment I posted the images popped up after all!

I need to find a more reliable way to display images. Unfortunately when I try to insert an image directly, users without an account are unable to view it. Ideally, I would like to make my images publicly viewable for convenience reasons(and in case this forum cannot create new accounts to view said images). Being able to swipe or click the arrow buttons on the imgur albums prove to keep things more compact vs scrolling down giant pictures.

Imgur acts weird in this forum. I can display albums here as long as those albums are kept private. As soon as I make that album public, it is not viewable on the forum itself and must be clicked on to be viewed onto another tab.

[bower]

We had some discussion about accessibility of images recently and, afaik, they are supposed to be viewable by guests as well as members. Re giant pictures, I usually resize the short dimension of a pic to 800 pixels that works out to 800x1296 iirc for a normal image, and that was recommended as the size by another participant here, large enough to view without being too onerous to load or scroll through.
In terms of the integrity of your posts in the long term, I've seen so many cases of photo hosts that went down and or no longer show the albums without your continuous pay, so that images that once accompanied posts disappeared from the record. So from that point of view, I would recommend to insert images in your text here, but also add a link to your Imgur files as well.

[KaguyaCloud]

We had some discussion about accessibility of images recently and, afaik, they are supposed to be viewable by guests as well as members. Re giant pictures, I usually resize the short dimension of a pic to 800 pixels that works out to 800x1296 iirc for a normal image, and that was recommended as the size by another participant here, large enough to view without being too onerous to load or scroll through.

That's really strange. Here are what all the photos look like on my end when logged out. They all say that I do not have permission to view the files. And I wasn't aware that we can resize images. I'll begin to upload the attachments then when I have the time.

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[bower]

@KaguyaCloud we've been really busy with the robot horde issues, but for certain in our discussion of image accessibility the intent was for images to be visible to visitors, with a possible exception the gallery due to image theft issues. However rest assured we will revisit this question as soon as time allows, and make sure that your text and images appear together as posted on the forum. Will get back to you when we have a chance to focus on that question again.
The point of the forum is to share and maintain information that members provide, and that includes images. For the collective knowledge of which we are maintainers. (and in the case of your project and similar, creators).

[KaguyaCloud]

I found an interesting article involving crossing an indeterminate version of Micro-Tom with a normal indeterminate parent, then backcrossing with the larger indeterminate parent in subsequent generations. It seems very possible to keep the plant size small while increasing the qualities of the fruit.

"Comparing the dwarf donor parent (UFU MC TOM1) to the dwarf plants from the first, second, and third backcrosses, there was an increase in fruit mass by 390%, 539%, and 816%, respectively."
https://www.scielo.br/j/rcaat/a/hm89546 ... gkPHtXxtm/

Somewhat adjacent stuff I found. Micro-Eggplants! Very interesting prepublished article on a team developing a micro version of an eggplant. They even referenced Micro-Tom as well.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf

[bower]

Just to update the image access question.
As it happens images are a kind of 'bot bait'. One of the things they do that crashes your site is download a bunch of images. We had made most of site images available to visitors but had to reverse that.
So for the present (and perhaps foreseeable future of ongoing bot wars) it is necessary to become a member to view images here.
BUT since there is no obstacle to a real person joining the site, no cost nor any other restriction except for observing site rules of reasonable behavior, the images can be considered fully accessible to any person who wants to view them.
They are maintained here as part of your text, so it is a good alternative or a backup to your own maintenance on Imgur or elsewhere.
And there are no restrictions on links to other sites or sources.
Hope that helps.

[KaguyaCloud]

Update: 6/3/25

Delayed update, I took the images at 6/3.

Joro BC1-1: 6 leaves to first flower on both twin stems, suggesting even earlier possible flowering time. Leaflet pattern is 3-5-5-5-5-7 from the start of the axillary stems. Extreme branching trait and very vigorous. First truss is a branching truss.

Joro BC1-2: Only one major stem expressed after terminating early. 5 leaves to first flower, the earliest individual in my breeding project in terms of leaves to first flower. I will need to study the axillary shoots to see if this pattern remains consistent. Leaflet pattern is 5-5-5-5-7 from the start of the axillary stem. Less strong branching behavior. First truss is a branching truss.

I'm quite shocked that the leaves to first flower has been reduced again after another round of backcrossing. This could be the indication that Rosella Cherry offers some good early potential. Overall, very interesting to see variances in growth habit in the two individuals I grew. I could see two potential lines from these backcrosses. One with significantly more fruit yield at the expense of consuming much more nutrients and one breeding line that is much more controlled and flowers earlier. I will select whichever one tastes better but both make promising potential parents.