Early Look at 2023?
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@Tormato : "OK, I finally gotta ask. Why do people cut tomatoes that way?"
C'mon; not only is that a gosh darn WALL of beautiful Tomato Flesh unperforated by unsightly seed pockets/cavities, but it puts the STEAK in Beefsteak!
Based on 13 months of observations, Going Against The Grain is an approach The Gotch believes (and he's likely not alone on this) toward which you'd gravitate.
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C'mon; not only is that a gosh darn WALL of beautiful Tomato Flesh unperforated by unsightly seed pockets/cavities, but it puts the STEAK in Beefsteak!
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@Tormato The only time that I cut mine like that is if I am wedging them.
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@MissS; "The only time that I cut mine like that is if I am wedging them."
That particularly (IMO) flawless DB was positively screaming: "I'm Ready For My Close-up, Mr. Gotchberg."
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@Cornelius_Gotchberg , I planted my first Daniel Burson during the summer for fall and got only a few because I started it a bit late and the squirrels also decided to do a taste test. But the few I did get were wonderful! So since it didn't get a real fair trial I'm calling it a newbie.
The Amana Orange, Aunt Ginny's Purple, Estler's Mortgage Lifter didn't get a fair run either. I ran out of room and just stuck them in the ground away from the garden. They grew fine until they all got funked up at once and then had to be, uh, put down. They rise again this year, hopefully to put forth a grand display. Or at least let me have a good taste.
The Amana Orange, Aunt Ginny's Purple, Estler's Mortgage Lifter didn't get a fair run either. I ran out of room and just stuck them in the ground away from the garden. They grew fine until they all got funked up at once and then had to be, uh, put down. They rise again this year, hopefully to put forth a grand display. Or at least let me have a good taste.

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@GoDawgs "I ran out of room"
After succumbing to that same...um...condition this past season (DISCLOSURE: Not_The_First_TIME!), I thought I was on the Road To Recovery.
Until the Tomato Growers Supply catalog showed up today.
On just the cover: Solar Flare, Pink Delicious, Dark Star, Polbig.
The kicker? They weren't even photos, they were freakin' drawing/renderings!
It gets worse.
I started thumbing through it...
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After succumbing to that same...um...condition this past season (DISCLOSURE: Not_The_First_TIME!), I thought I was on the Road To Recovery.
Until the Tomato Growers Supply catalog showed up today.
On just the cover: Solar Flare, Pink Delicious, Dark Star, Polbig.
The kicker? They weren't even photos, they were freakin' drawing/renderings!
It gets worse.
I started thumbing through it...
The Gotch
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@Tormato It's a type of humble brag.
"Look, I grew so many tomatoes this year I have extras to abuse."
"Look, I grew so many tomatoes this year I have extras to abuse."
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I have a few ideas that will certainly evolve over the winter.
In the backyard the main ones we've talked about are cherries, mostly because my daughter has expressed some opinions. We're going to do Indigo Pear Drops again and Black Cherry. We're putting Sister Keyes here this year because my daughter didn't get out to the farm enough to satisfy her taste for them last summer when we put it there. We may do Violet Heart and/or Chocolate Sprinkles OP as well. The only non-cherry that I'm fairly sure about here is Peachy Keen.
At the farm, my hubby wants Anna Russian, Iceberg (a red piriform that I got from Latvia last year) and the next generation of Super Sauce OP (it will be F3 this coming summer). I'm going to put my Sioux Empire Paste tomatoes out there, too, like I do every year. There's plenty more room there so we'll see what else ends up out there.
We all chip in helping with my mom's garden and we each choose some varieties. I haven't heard my mom's list yet, but my son wants his row to be mostly Gilbertie plants with a few Abbitista and a few Northern Ruby, which is a Heinz variety that was grown by a guy in Montana for 20 years until it had changed enough that he was convinced to rename it. According to the description, it's a determinate that produces well until frost. So we'll see how that one is.
I've got a bunch of ideas for my row at my mom's. These are the present ones:
White Beauty
Ananas Noire
Prairie Fire
Giant Belgium
Ludmilla's Peach
Cherokee Purple Heart
Night Candle
Golden Buddha
Pink Giant Ukrainian
California Tulip
Orange Accordion
Desperado
Golden Wheel
Piennolo del Vesuvio
Tangerine
Sart Roloise
I have a few others I'd like to try as well, like Siberian Orange and Zapotec Ananas Ribbed and Sugar Pounder and Scary Larry. And that's before my swap mailer gets here. Yeah, there will be some rearranging going on, lol.
In the backyard the main ones we've talked about are cherries, mostly because my daughter has expressed some opinions. We're going to do Indigo Pear Drops again and Black Cherry. We're putting Sister Keyes here this year because my daughter didn't get out to the farm enough to satisfy her taste for them last summer when we put it there. We may do Violet Heart and/or Chocolate Sprinkles OP as well. The only non-cherry that I'm fairly sure about here is Peachy Keen.
At the farm, my hubby wants Anna Russian, Iceberg (a red piriform that I got from Latvia last year) and the next generation of Super Sauce OP (it will be F3 this coming summer). I'm going to put my Sioux Empire Paste tomatoes out there, too, like I do every year. There's plenty more room there so we'll see what else ends up out there.
We all chip in helping with my mom's garden and we each choose some varieties. I haven't heard my mom's list yet, but my son wants his row to be mostly Gilbertie plants with a few Abbitista and a few Northern Ruby, which is a Heinz variety that was grown by a guy in Montana for 20 years until it had changed enough that he was convinced to rename it. According to the description, it's a determinate that produces well until frost. So we'll see how that one is.
I've got a bunch of ideas for my row at my mom's. These are the present ones:
White Beauty
Ananas Noire
Prairie Fire
Giant Belgium
Ludmilla's Peach
Cherokee Purple Heart
Night Candle
Golden Buddha
Pink Giant Ukrainian
California Tulip
Orange Accordion
Desperado
Golden Wheel
Piennolo del Vesuvio
Tangerine
Sart Roloise
I have a few others I'd like to try as well, like Siberian Orange and Zapotec Ananas Ribbed and Sugar Pounder and Scary Larry. And that's before my swap mailer gets here. Yeah, there will be some rearranging going on, lol.
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My thought on examining the picture was that it reminded me of a raw steak, marbling and all. It reminds me of my zoology class in high school. I'm still amazed at how zoology in my home town is basically beef and dairy 101. I was expecting to learn about exotic things like iguanas and rhinoceroses, but nope. Cows. 100% cows (or that's all I remember, anyway; maybe we talked about pigs and sheep). The class was full of FFA members (and I joined, myself), and taught by the agriculture/welding/wood-shop teacher. The countryside around my home town is full of cattle ranches, by the way. We studied marbling, had milk/cheese-tasting tests and such. In botany, we learned about noxious weeds. They were fun classes. They had computers, too.Cornelius_Gotchberg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:00 pm @Tormato : "OK, I finally gotta ask. Why do people cut tomatoes that way?"
C'mon; not only is that a gosh darn WALL of beautiful Tomato Flesh unperforated by unsightly seed pockets/cavities, but it puts the STEAK in Beefsteak!
Based on 13 months of observations, Going Against The Grain is an approach The Gotch believes (and he's likely not alone on this) toward which you'd gravitate.
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@Shule; "it reminded me of a raw steak, marbling and all."
Bravo Indigo November Golf Oscar!
"(we) had milk/cheese-tasting tests and such."
This may come as a surprise, but The Gotch household regularly engages in Cheese-Tasting, as well
Cheese: Milk's Leap Toward Immortality!
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Bravo Indigo November Golf Oscar!
"(we) had milk/cheese-tasting tests and such."
This may come as a surprise, but The Gotch household regularly engages in Cheese-Tasting, as well
Cheese: Milk's Leap Toward Immortality!
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I'll be looking forward to see how it worked for you!habitat-gardener wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:22 pm The name of the game is nematode resistance and (starting to think about) crop rotation... Still planning to get in a cover crop of nematocidal Kodiak mustard, so I may try other tomatoes as well. This year, the Benevento F1, Start F1, and Polaris tomatoes, at least, produced ok even though their roots showed nematode damage.
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You have an excuse for slicing that way. Being from Wisconsin, you cut cheese.Cornelius_Gotchberg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:00 pm @Tormato : "OK, I finally gotta ask. Why do people cut tomatoes that way?"
C'mon; not only is that a gosh darn WALL of beautiful Tomato Flesh unperforated by unsightly seed pockets/cavities, but it puts the STEAK in Beefsteak!
Based on 13 months of observations, Going Against The Grain is an approach The Gotch believes (and he's likely not alone on this) toward which you'd gravitate.
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@Tormato; "Being from Wisconsin, you cut cheese."
Er...audibly...?
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ ... 1731730409
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Er...audibly...?
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One Cut The Cheese Horn is Coincidence, Two is Happenstance, Three is Enemy Action! The Gotch
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It's a good thing no one has crossed one of those with a vuvuzela.
I didn't request it, or search for it, so why does youtube send me recommended videos like this?
I didn't request it, or search for it, so why does youtube send me recommended videos like this?
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And, after the football game, twitter sends stuff like...
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@Tormato "why does youtube send me recommended videos like this?"
Seems the algorithms have yer pulse...
"And, after the football game, twitter sends stuff like..."
A hawk wouldn't stand a chance against a healthy, adult Badger.
ON WISCONSIN!!!
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Seems the algorithms have yer pulse...
"And, after the football game, twitter sends stuff like..."
A hawk wouldn't stand a chance against a healthy, adult Badger.
ON WISCONSIN!!!
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I dug in to an old collection of Burpee hybrids circa 2010 which was all I grew in my formative garden years. Three plants knocked off the spider mite infestation and produced the red tennis balls like crazy. In fact, the tomatoes picked green have been ripening every few days and still taste like they were just picked. I might check out what hybrids another donation garden member is growing in his containers (he starts seeds in April) and incorporate his selections with Ukrainian varieties next year. Of course , Esterina and Sungold or Sunsugar are returning.
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Did you/do you happen to have any seeds for the tomato that was just called "Burpee VF Hybrid"? It's been gone a long time now. It was my elderly mom's favorite tomato and she still misses it. I'd love to find a few seeds for one last grow of it for her. And if you did happen to grow that one, I'd be interested in hearing how it did for you compared to the others.greenthumbomaha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:27 am I dug in to an old collection of Burpee hybrids circa 2010 which was all I grew in my formative garden years. Three plants knocked off the spider mite infestation and produced the red tennis balls like crazy. In fact, the tomatoes picked green have been ripening every few days and still taste like they were just picked. I might check out what hybrids another donation garden member is growing in his containers (he starts seeds in April) and incorporate his selections with Ukrainian varieties next year. Of course , Esterina and Sungold or Sunsugar are returning.
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Early look at 2023
Hope to plant more shallots, as they ended up doing very well.
Tomatoes:
Box Car Willie
Frog Princess
Flamme
Eva Purple Ball
Chef's Choice Orange
Sunrise Bumble Bee
Juliet
Big Beef
It was so hot in the Nevada desert last year that tomatoes got fried. This year I am going to have to figure out how I am going to shade them.
Hope to plant more shallots, as they ended up doing very well.
Tomatoes:
Box Car Willie
Frog Princess
Flamme
Eva Purple Ball
Chef's Choice Orange
Sunrise Bumble Bee
Juliet
Big Beef
It was so hot in the Nevada desert last year that tomatoes got fried. This year I am going to have to figure out how I am going to shade them.
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Changed my list !! Decided no big tomato’s this season just cherry tomatoes I’ve done the big ones time for a change!!
Cherry falls
Geranium kiss
Yellow pear
Tropical Sunset Cherry tomato
Cherry falls
Geranium kiss
Yellow pear
Tropical Sunset Cherry tomato
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Decided to do a preliminary (and pre-MMMM2022) plan. Trying to cut back....not going so well. I might switch out some for hybrids.
Cherries
Dikovinka
Ghost Cherry
Green Grape
Rose Quartz [or maybe Pink Bumblebee or Rosalita since i am not a huge fan of multiflora's]
Dwarf
Big Green Dwarf
Chocolate Lightning
Lucky Swirl
Maralinga
Metallica
Purple Heart
Purple Heartthrob
Rosella Crimson
Sonrojo Monster
Stony Brook Heart
The Thong
Waverley
Oxheart
Berkeley Tie-Dye Heart
Fish Lake Oxheart
Kiyevlyanka
Rozovye Gryozy
Rozovyi Myod
Sojourner South American
Tyazheloves Sibiri
Paste/Plum
Amish Paste
Orange Banana
Pirkstine Orange
South American Banana
Determinate Salad/Slicers
Black Bear
Mother Russia
Ocharovanie Kamnatniy
Shakhtersky
Siberian Pink
Tyson
Verte de Huy
Indeterminate Slicers
Abraham Lincoln
Bacon Lettuce and This
Brandywine from Croatia PL
Brandywine, Sudduth
Caspian Pink
Dester
El-amar
Eva Purple Ball
Ferris Wheel
Fritz Ackermann
Large Mennonite Heritage
Limbaugh's Legacy Potato Top
Lloyd E Frey
Margaret Curtain
Marizol Purple
Mortgage Lifter, Halladay's
Orange Crush
Peak of Perfection
Pink Berkeley Tie Dye
Ponderosa
Stump of the World
Tidwell German
Tiffen Mennonite
Virginia Sweets
West Virginia Straw
West Virginia Sweetmeat
Wild Thyme GWR
Cherries
Dikovinka
Ghost Cherry
Green Grape
Rose Quartz [or maybe Pink Bumblebee or Rosalita since i am not a huge fan of multiflora's]
Dwarf
Big Green Dwarf
Chocolate Lightning
Lucky Swirl
Maralinga
Metallica
Purple Heart
Purple Heartthrob
Rosella Crimson
Sonrojo Monster
Stony Brook Heart
The Thong
Waverley
Oxheart
Berkeley Tie-Dye Heart
Fish Lake Oxheart
Kiyevlyanka
Rozovye Gryozy
Rozovyi Myod
Sojourner South American
Tyazheloves Sibiri
Paste/Plum
Amish Paste
Orange Banana
Pirkstine Orange
South American Banana
Determinate Salad/Slicers
Black Bear
Mother Russia
Ocharovanie Kamnatniy
Shakhtersky
Siberian Pink
Tyson
Verte de Huy
Indeterminate Slicers
Abraham Lincoln
Bacon Lettuce and This
Brandywine from Croatia PL
Brandywine, Sudduth
Caspian Pink
Dester
El-amar
Eva Purple Ball
Ferris Wheel
Fritz Ackermann
Large Mennonite Heritage
Limbaugh's Legacy Potato Top
Lloyd E Frey
Margaret Curtain
Marizol Purple
Mortgage Lifter, Halladay's
Orange Crush
Peak of Perfection
Pink Berkeley Tie Dye
Ponderosa
Stump of the World
Tidwell German
Tiffen Mennonite
Virginia Sweets
West Virginia Straw
West Virginia Sweetmeat
Wild Thyme GWR