Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
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Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
I was watching a video on stone similarly in Egypt and Peru.
The aliens started popping up.
How could two separate societies come up with practically the same thing?
It's pretty common all things considered.
The aliens started popping up.
How could two separate societies come up with practically the same thing?
It's pretty common all things considered.
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
It happens a lot, even in this day and age. 
As for why, I don't know, but it often happens at the same time in different parts of the world, too.
Oh. Actually, you said Egypt? Well, Egyptians did make boats and sail to South America zillions of years ago, so I've read.
A particular rare thing doesn't happen very often. However, you don't have to look very far to find a rare thing, as long as you're not particular about what kind of rare thing it is. I'm not saying that explains the phenomenon, fully.

As for why, I don't know, but it often happens at the same time in different parts of the world, too.
Oh. Actually, you said Egypt? Well, Egyptians did make boats and sail to South America zillions of years ago, so I've read.
A particular rare thing doesn't happen very often. However, you don't have to look very far to find a rare thing, as long as you're not particular about what kind of rare thing it is. I'm not saying that explains the phenomenon, fully.
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
I figured out how to dice an onion on my own.
One person said there's no way someone could do that
My reply was someone had to figure it out without being taught.
Why can't several people do it on their own.
He had went to some cooking school with his wife.
One person said there's no way someone could do that
My reply was someone had to figure it out without being taught.
Why can't several people do it on their own.
He had went to some cooking school with his wife.
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
Even in nature, the same mutations have been known to happen independently in different places. If you consider how many genes are in a genome, the odds for a particular one might seem to be pretty rare. (But it's not like only one gene gets to mutate every generation to the exclusion of all others; so, the number of genes in a genome doesn't actually matter in this context.)
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
Anyway, this is one of the reasons I think intellectual property laws need to be reworked, so early adopters don't steal everything from everyone else who makes the same thing, leaving future generations with little they can do (until like 160 years later when copyrights are expiring).
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
Harley Davidson tried to copyright or whatever their sound.Shule wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:19 pm Anyway, this is one of the reasons I think intellectual property laws need to be reworked, so early adopters don't steal everything from everyone else who invents the same thing, leaving future generations with little they can do (until like 160 years from now when copyrights start expiring).
Seriously.
One woman acclaimed nothing sounds like a Harley when I fired off my Triumph..I told her it's a Triumph and her mouth fell open..
Several years ago Harley tried to sue Honda for making a v twin engine.
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
I don't think the Egyptians or anyone else ever sailed to the Americas that long ago.
But some people and some religions think so.
People spent years trying to prove it to no avail.
They even blew up the Spiro Indian mound looking for proof.
I said think which gives me a get out of jail free card in case I'm wrong.
I used to live next to the Spiro mounds and we went to a giant tomato farm there every year to buy tomatoes for canning.
They were good tomatoes too but they were the ones that didn't make the tomato size grade but bigger or smaller.
It's in Oklahoma.
Look it up.
But some people and some religions think so.
People spent years trying to prove it to no avail.
They even blew up the Spiro Indian mound looking for proof.
I said think which gives me a get out of jail free card in case I'm wrong.
I used to live next to the Spiro mounds and we went to a giant tomato farm there every year to buy tomatoes for canning.
They were good tomatoes too but they were the ones that didn't make the tomato size grade but bigger or smaller.
It's in Oklahoma.
Look it up.
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
There are some famous examples of this.
Maybe evidence of the collective unconscious? or collective consciousness.
I agree that it raises issues about proprietary rights to inventions. We do need a system to reward invention and innovation. However the rights to suppress invention also come with the system that we have. Some things are emerging from our learning process that need to be applied to solving our problems. So I think that patents should not be able to be used to suppress or prevent the application of these inventions, and there should be some capability to reward more than one person who came up with the invention.
Maybe evidence of the collective unconscious? or collective consciousness.
I agree that it raises issues about proprietary rights to inventions. We do need a system to reward invention and innovation. However the rights to suppress invention also come with the system that we have. Some things are emerging from our learning process that need to be applied to solving our problems. So I think that patents should not be able to be used to suppress or prevent the application of these inventions, and there should be some capability to reward more than one person who came up with the invention.
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
"No occupation is so delightful to me as the culture of the earth, and no culture comparable to that of the garden."
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Spontaneous or duplicate invention.
That looks like a really good read.karstopography wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:56 pm https://www.oxfordscholastica.com/blog/ ... -calculus/
The Independent invention of Calculus.
I'll have to look later because right now I'm watching a movie called UFO.
I've seen it several times.
It's got a lot of maths in it and a great cast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_(2018_film)
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25 miles southeast of Waterloo Texas.
You can't argue with a closed mind.
You might as well be arguing with a cat.